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    What's the point of living if you can't find purpose and there's no real truth

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    That there's no objective purpose to life doesn't mean you can't find your own. Personally, I find purpose in enjoying my life and improving the lives of others. Doesn't matter that there isn't some grand design, I like what I'm doing.

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      catholics believe that they actually have to be good vs protestants believing that simply believing is all you need

      Wtf ?

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      A doctrine of Catholicism is that you need good works as well as faith in order to get into Heaven. When Martin Luther broke away and started the Protestant movement, one of the big changes he made was to drop the "good works" part so that faith alone is sufficient to get into Heaven. (As I understand it, the argument behind this is that Jesus saves us from all of our sins already so therefore it does not matter how good or bad we are during our lives as long as we have faith.)

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        Most of the planet suffers from some type of this mental illness and it threatens our survival as a species

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        Are you literally just a bot? begone.

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          I guess there isn't a point given to you by someone/something else, but you're free to pick one of your own if you want. Or not. Ultimately we just have our evolved desire to survive and see our loved ones do well.

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          I'd rather pick what is actually true

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          • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

            That there's no objective purpose to life doesn't mean you can't find your own. Personally, I find purpose in enjoying my life and improving the lives of others. Doesn't matter that there isn't some grand design, I like what I'm doing.

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            But that might not matter in the end

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              30-40% in the US believe in young earth creationism

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              Not the fringest of beliefs. I find the whole ken ham "science is wrong" thing bizarre. But I think the "it was created old" view holds more water

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                It’s funny being a socialist who doesn’t believe in god. I actually support the things Jesus taught becoming law, and Christians argue the most against it.

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                That's because Jesus's teachings are tenets of common decency.

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                • buboscandiacus@mander.xyzB [email protected]

                  women with photos with guns

                  any woman posing leaning against the hood of a sports car

                  We sure have different values

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                  To be fair, I would too with the first. But I'm European so that as a profile/dating app pic sounds insane.

                  Technically the second too, not because it's a red flag for me, but just because I don't particularly care and have better odds elsewhere if that's half their personality.

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                    Perhaps. I think guns are something to be handled with care, not something to enjoy as a hobby. I think sports cars are a waste of money because, realistically, you'll be driving on city streets with speed limits in most cases.

                    I have a comfortable sedan because the pan taught me that I can't rely on ride-shares and mass transit in a once-in-a-lifetime (we hope) emergency. I barely drive it. It's a tool. And I don't own guns because I think they're dangerous and I'm prone to bouts of depression (I'm bi-polar). Anyone who thinks these are cool or part of their identity is not someone I want as a life partner. Even without being judgmental about these things, they signal different priorities from my own.

                    Now a someone with a full bookshelf in the background is another thing entirely. Or playing musical instruments. Or out in nature. These are things I value.

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                    You know, as reasonable as it is, the last paragraph does sound totally corny. I'd be fine dating someone who's not as much of a nerd as me, or is a nerd in a different way like movies.

                    Especially the bookshelf part, since in my experience, a lot of people with piles of books don't read them (I gave the worse ones away), and making a dating app pic in a library isn't the first thing that comes to mind.

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                      Not really. It's an observation that most religions have some dogmatic and scriptural aspects that can be seen as either absurd or abhorrent.

                      Most large religions have been co-opted at some point in history by powerful people to do some terrible things.

                      If you were anti-religion, there's a lot of things to take shots at.

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                      Explain how what i said was wrong? I understand you disagree, but none of the rest of your comment explains why.

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                        Explain how what i said was wrong? I understand you disagree, but none of the rest of your comment explains why.

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                        You asked what I meant by my sentence and I clarified it.

                        For example, I personally find the idea of transubstantiation weird. To my mind, that does not provide evidence that all religion is wrong, just that maybe strict Catholicism maybe isn't for me.

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                          But that might not matter in the end

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                          It matters to me

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                          • F [email protected]

                            I'd rather pick what is actually true

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                            What's that?

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                              You asked what I meant by my sentence and I clarified it.

                              For example, I personally find the idea of transubstantiation weird. To my mind, that does not provide evidence that all religion is wrong, just that maybe strict Catholicism maybe isn't for me.

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                              I did not ask what you meant in your sentence.

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                                But if someone is an atheist and doesn't want anything to do with God, won't God respect their decision?

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                                I don't know. The Bible don't speak that much after the afterlife. Jesus mainly spoke about the Kingdom, which is within us and not something otherworldly (Luke 17:21), the Old Testament is almost only interested in how to follow God here and now, even the book of Revelation is, if read correctly, more a veiled criticism of the politics of Roman Empire than a prediction. The only one who spoke a lot about the afterlife is Paul, but if he's clear about who will be saved, he's not about who won't. That's why I spoke about a mystery; but I trust God to make the best decision.

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                                  Were you a Christian before you married her? Were you a pastor at that point?

                                  Also, what denomination/church do you belong to

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                                  No, we were in highschool when we begun to date. But I was already Christian, and we knew I was going to a faculty of theology a few months later to become a pastor.

                                  I'm a member of a united Lutheran-Reformed church. I come from a Reformed parish, but serve nowadays in a Lutheran one, and theologically I navigate between the two traditions.

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                                    Not the fringest of beliefs. I find the whole ken ham "science is wrong" thing bizarre. But I think the "it was created old" view holds more water

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                                    Neither holds any water because it's unfalsifiable. You could as logically argue it was created just now and our memories of the prior post history is part of the creation.

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                                      No, we were in highschool when we begun to date. But I was already Christian, and we knew I was going to a faculty of theology a few months later to become a pastor.

                                      I'm a member of a united Lutheran-Reformed church. I come from a Reformed parish, but serve nowadays in a Lutheran one, and theologically I navigate between the two traditions.

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                                      Why would you marry a non Christian when the Bible clearly forbids it?

                                      2 Corinthians 6:14-18

                                      Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.”

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                                        I don't know. The Bible don't speak that much after the afterlife. Jesus mainly spoke about the Kingdom, which is within us and not something otherworldly (Luke 17:21), the Old Testament is almost only interested in how to follow God here and now, even the book of Revelation is, if read correctly, more a veiled criticism of the politics of Roman Empire than a prediction. The only one who spoke a lot about the afterlife is Paul, but if he's clear about who will be saved, he's not about who won't. That's why I spoke about a mystery; but I trust God to make the best decision.

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                                        Jesus mainly spoke about the Kingdom, which is within us and not something otherworldly

                                        Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven. And more about hell than anyone else in the Bible.

                                        Paul is quite clear.

                                        1 Corinthians 6:9-11

                                        Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

                                        Romans 2:12-16

                                        For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

                                        Romans 3:22-25

                                        the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

                                        Romans 6:23

                                        For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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                                          It matters to me

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                                          But you'll just be dust someday

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