There's no difference. Cancer is cancer. Sometimes it's manageable by the immune system alone, sometimes it's fully and irreversibly malignant in multiple organs, usually it's somewhere between. There is no zero cancer, the best we get is small amounts. There is no zero exploitation, the best we get is small amounts.

Sometimes we get the best we can get. Usually, we get a treatable amount. With treatment, the growing thing can be combated before it becomes irreversibly deadly. But skip those treatments because they make you nauseous, and the deadly thing grows bigger.

You couldn't get zero exploitation (obviously, because that's not possible) so you skipped the treatment and now it's growing deadlier. You might as well have skipped chemo to huff essential oils. That's what you look like to the rest of us, the person skipping chemo to treat their cancer with incense and good vibes.

Its exactly how it works, whether you like it or not.

According to every conversation I've ever had with a tankie that leaves you nobody to vote for, because EVERYONE is a capitalist.

CCP? Capitalist. Commie Russia? Capitalist. North Korea? Also capitalist.

What if they were in a state where their vote wouldn't have even remotely changed the electoral vote outcome? It's a strawman blame game you're playing to feel smug about yourself in a generalized approach.

You don't know anyone's personal situation yet you have no qualm placing blame for a worldwide issue on a single individual.

Good for you. You shamed someone for not solving the worlds climate issues with a single fucking vote that may not have even made any difference at all.

Yes. And even in a swing state, it may take a million or more votes to swing it.

The few states with apportioned electors are the outlier.

They just want internet points and the brief satisfaction of feeling smug by being a piece of shit to someone online.

History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn't happening and maybe claim they don't have enough control and we'll hear the term bipartisan.

That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore. When they DO have some ability to improve things, they barely do. Biden proved to be exactly the slow-moving watered-down change I expected.

Fuck em all. And fuck you when you tell me how wrong I am. I really don't give a fuck.

Put up serious change on the ticket or I'll just roll my eyes again.

On what planet do tankies go around calling those countries capitalist? You're dreaming mate.

The top part is true, but reversing 25% is something and it's not a constant flow of more carnage. If you don't give a fuck, then you are basically pro carnage since you are doing nothing to stop it, but fuck me right?

Also you can vote for who Dems up on the ticket in the primary. New York voters showed the rest of the country that it's possible.

I'm glad I live in a place where this would give you almost no info.

Because there's more than two options.

Your vote is a formality until it swings the state. What is a swing state changes every election. You never truly know until after you voted so vote every time.

Just for the sake of discussion, I think there's a real argument to be made that reversing 25% is actually worse than doing nothing, because it makes people complacent. "Controlled opposition", if you will.

I'm not saying that's necessarily always the case, there are obviously tangible benefits to reducing some of the damage. But if it comes with allowing even more damage to be done later, because the changes are superficial and don't address the ways in which the right extremists can manipulate the political system, then people might be fooled into thinking the system still works and the long run consequences would be even more severe than if they realised it doesn't.

And if you fully realise that the political system doesn't work then I don't think it entirely makes sense to get on someone's case about voting or not. Not that they shouldn't, but there are much bigger issues.

in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration

This is really a false dichotomy. There are so many other ways to fight against the atrocities. Given how enthusiastically the democrats are cooperating with the fascist agenda, if you didn't vote but you uploaded some info to one of those ice watch apps, or went and protested in LA, or shuffled papers to slow down their progress in your federal job, you probably already did more tangible good than someone who did the other way around.

Too busy being a wage slave in an endless churn cycle.

Even in the best case scenario of a well-intentioned-but-ignorant person that didn't think critically about what a Trump vote meant, I still wouldn't want to be married to a fool.

You've gotta use your brain if you want to ride this train.

Yeah your vote has a one in a million power best case scenario. But in non swing states it willl be a few orders of magnitude less powerful.

I’d really love to know which candidates these assholes primaried for or what revolutions they’ve started. I can get behind NOT WANTING to vote bc it feels bad most of the time but pretending their inaction is some moral victory is feeble minded.

Honestly, you're not giving enough credit to everything they do to make things worse. Between

-Clinton throwing money and resources at shitty ISPs and intellectual property ghouls in the 90s,
-Obama putting legal niceties on Bush's assassination program and making sure nobody got held accountable for those murders,
-Obama keeping every NSA spying program intact,
-Obama throwing taxpayer money at private health insurance companies,
-Biden killing stimulus checks (because obviously nobody supports UBI),
-Biden throwing taxpayer money at fossil fuel companies,
-Biden throwing money at ICE,
-Biden throwing money at cops of all sorts,
-etc.,

they have done a ton to entrench bad things and undermine good things too.

You should probably still vote for them because there's nothing on this list Republicans wouldn't try to turbocharge, but if we don't get rid of the awful Dems we have now and replace them with people who are actually willing to fight for us it's actually just a choice between carnage quickly or carnage slowly

A friend of mine went on a date Sunday night. For some reason they started talking politics. This bitch ass cry baby mommas boy walks OUT on the date, WITHOUT paying for his drinks/food. Luckily my friend only had to pay for her stuff. I'll give you one guess what his political leanings were. These maga morons got no balls

I don't think it gives any indication that there is only two options

oh I see the red and blue arrows now, still you could say this anywhere and be suspicious