I'm not struggling, I'm telling you how it is based on your own parameters. You could have argued that normalcy is relative, but you didn't you got stuck on the dictionary definition and decided that the set of expectations that apply are the expectations of the group and not my expectations.

I'm saying either you have a logical reason for that set of priorities or your argument doesn't follow. There was not problem with clarity on that sentence, the ambiguity was introduced by your caveat.

To be clear, this is irrelevant and a waste of time. We established that up top. We both understand what I was saying and why your response is what it is.

But I've explained to you many times how it is relative. It's just that they live in place where it is normal and you don't. So you don't feel what they're doing is normal but for them it is

No, you've said many times that it being relative means the bar for normalcy that takes precedence is theirs and not mine. Which doesn't follow from your premise. And whenever I tell you that you just repeat the wonky premise.

Alright, that's harsh, you just quietly backed away some by moving from "it's normal for them so it's normal" to "it's normal for them but not to you", which is not the same thing you were saying before. I guess I'll take the small compromises in a conversation we both knew was a waste of time from the first post.

Same, but I also recognized that the people who wouldn't message me back were not people that I wanted to spend extra effort on communication with when they couldn't bother to respond to a text.

The people that matter make the effort, but many of us are concerned with the quantity of friends instead of the quality of the friendships. I have fewer people to talk today than I did on Facebook, but at least I actually want to talk to them instead of just going through the motions.

They don't live near me. They're all online friends.

And? You and I are online, right now, communicating across an unknown amount of distance, while you tell me having online friends means you need Facebook to keep in touch.

There are plenty of ways to communicate with people who aren't in your town. I have friends on the other side of the country, and a couple over in the EU, and I can communicate with them just fine and never touch Facebook. If you don't want to leave Facebook, just say it instead of hiding behind trivialities to excuse you staying there. I have plenty of friends who choose to give a pound of flesh to Facebook for one reason or another, but at least they admit they want to be there.

I mean it's simple as if you are talking about them, then it's their context that matters if it is normal for them or not. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

If they were talking about you it wouldn't be normal even if they considered it normal since they were talking about you and your context.

It's just how normalcy works...

"it's normal for them so it's normal" to "it's normal for them but not to you"

I'm not sure how you've understood it like this. It's normal for them has been the thing the whole time. You said it's not normal but it is normal for them though, you can't decide normalcy for their context

Same as I can't say it's not normal for people in Peru to eat guinea pigs. But it is normal for them, it's just not normal where I live. Do you see now?

But you've never explained why that is. You just... kinda like it that way. Their normal takes precedence (it didn't for a bit, but I called you out on it and now it does again) only because you say so. No definition you put forward included whose normal goes first when two normals happen at once.

To be clear, normal doesn't work like that, it's not what I meant and you fully understand this. But if we play by your definition, nothing in your definition decides which normal is the more normal. I say my normal goes because I'm the speaker and my set of expectations define normalcy in my speech. You have provided no argument against this.

It's just the definition of the word. What is typical etc. for some context. Those people consider it normal to do that because to them it is normal ‍️

For example if these people would be from Finland then yes it would be normal. It is just what people in Finland do which makes it normal.

So…did you goon?

Not by your definition. By your definition it's "what's expected or usual", it doesn't say anything about who decides what is expected or usual.

It's not my definition, friend. It's straight from a dictionary. But I think it (pretty reasonably) assumes the person reading it knows it's context dependent. See their example:

the condition of being normal; the state of being usual, typical, or expected.

"the office gradually returned to a semblance of normality"

Of course the context here is how that office typically is. That's the normal.

In that context it's the speaker who has an expectation for what is normal for that office. The office normal and the speaker normal are the same.

There is nothing in the definition that demands normalcy to be defined by the object.

If every language on the planet put the verb at the end of a sentence and only one language set the verb in the middle of the sentence would you say it is incorrect to say speakers of that language are doing things the normal way or would you get nitpicky about it and say that's inaccurate?

Which, again, not the point, you get what I was saying, you're mostly trolling. I get it, you get it, we established this at the go. We're just trolling around the relative inaccuracy of the trolling here.

It's just that what's normal is defined by the actual situation in the office. So the office normalcy is just what's normal in the office, even if we think it's abnormal or disagree with their office whatever.

If every language on the planet put the verb at the end of a sentence and only one language set the verb in the middle of the sentence would you say it is incorrect to say speakers of that language are doing things the normal way or would you get nitpicky about it and say that's inaccurate?

I mean if I was talking about how speakers of the verb in the middle language consider it normal then in that context yeah that's their normal.

Did that help to understand the situation? You can ask about other scenarios too if it helps

90% of "memes" nowadays aren't memes.

But I didn't ask if you would say it's "their normal". I asked if you would say it's "normal". Not qualifiers, no possessives. Also, I wasn't talking about how women being socially expected to alter their identity based on having sex with a man as a habit "consider it normal", I was talking about how I don't consider it normal.

So that's kind of a lot of sneaky adjustments you made there. Wanna try that again?

But it's them we are talking about. Same as your original comment. Otherwise it wouldn't be the same scenario. For the people in question it's normal yes.

I was talking about how I don't consider it normal.

I know. It's normal but you don't find it normal. I feel like we've covered this before, but it has been a long conversation so I'm not 100% sure.

I noticed in some of the replies you seem a bit upset. I hope this conversation isn't the cause of that. I know it's been a long and probably frustrating journey.

No, we are not talking about them. I said "they think it's normal, but it's not normal". That's not what you say it is.

See? Now the fact that you're misrepresenting the conversation for trolling purposes becomes a problem, because we have to talk about what I was actually saying, so the whole thing falls apart.

No, we are not talking about them.

I said “they think it’s normal, but it’s not normal”.

I'm confused. It does seem like you're referring to some third party in your comment ("they")

Get off of it