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Funny, I have an XS from the same year and it’s totally fine on iOS 18. I might even replace the battery.
Funny you said that because one has 4GB ram and another has 3GB ram. Plus, my wife has a 64GB model and its almost full. Performance really took a nose dive. You must have a really low bar regarding performance.
Take a look at the video. Opening app takes awhile compared to XS and multitasking is shit. Opened up a camera and go back to another app, guess what? Refreshed.
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Honestly, the only thing I care about when it comes to what other people do regarding phone purchases, is that that they at the very fucking least use their old phone until it breaks and don't just go out and buy a new phone every two years because they want something new and shiny. People who do that low key disgust me.
Wouldn't that effectively end the used phone market, forcing everyone to pay for new?
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Not in a literal sense but apple do tend to cripple old iPhone with their newest software update. I should know i owned an iPhone 12 mini on ios 17. That little bugger stutter everytime i pull down the control centre, scrolling through safari, scrolling through app, delay when pressing keyboard and yes, the battery is above 90% iirc.
My wife's iphone xr is even worse, granted it has been 7 years but god damn, that thing make my blood boil. Its still on ios 17, i cant imagine how slow it's gonna be on ios 18. Battery is at 82% though but i dont think replacing battery is worth it at the moment. Just waiting for the right moment to upgrade.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Experiencing none of that on iPhone 11 Pro.
I think if anything, the 12 mini just had subpar tech due to size constraints. Sadly.
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Does it matter? They made it easy to ROM and now my device gets to live on by the support of the community. That's how tech should be. We can't expect endless support from companies (it's just not realistic) but if they don't actively hinder you from owning your own device and making it somewhat modifiable, it adds a lot of life.
In the context of the iPhone XR mentioned by the post I replied to, that "official ROM" is nearly non-functional, is that really better in your opinion?
Yes. This is what im talking about. If only i can flash a lightweight os on my wife iphone and extend its life i would. Ultimately, it stuck on ios 18 with piss poor performance. Its a bad experience. Why should i contribute to another ewaste if i can help it.
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2020 iPhone SE is my favorite phone. It’s the perfect size and power. Apple’s going to have to pry it from my cold dead hands.
I bought that one refurbed for one of my kids. I was definitely impressed. Small, fast, actual iOS version. Where is this magic phone from? Its not like the others.
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Experiencing none of that on iPhone 11 Pro.
I think if anything, the 12 mini just had subpar tech due to size constraints. Sadly.
I think ios 17 is just buggy on iphone 12 mini because i compared it side by side with my wife iPhone XR and hers is just fine when pulling the control centre.
Also, i think the sole problem is apple is throttling the 12 mini when it gets too warm. Its a fine phone but the battery is really bad. I have long upgraded to another phone but its just bad experience on my part. Thats all.
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That's every iPhone user....
Not really. I know a few iPhone users who have kept their phones for a long time. The most impressive case was a guy who had had the same phone for 11 years and only had to buy a new one because an update fried the old one.
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Wouldn't that effectively end the used phone market, forcing everyone to pay for new?
If phones were built to last and something you would only buy once every 10ish years, I think we would all be better for it. I also think buying a phone from new would mean something different than it does in today's consumer culture. It would be way cheaper longterm for everybody as well.
The used phone market only exists because of the current buy and throw away culture we live in.
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Not really. I know a few iPhone users who have kept their phones for a long time. The most impressive case was a guy who had had the same phone for 11 years and only had to buy a new one because an update fried the old one.
True. If every iPhone user was a throwaway consumer, there wouldn't have been such an outrage over apple "updating" slowness and inefficiency into older devices.
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it’s still purring like a kitten.
…should a phone be doing that?
I mean hey as long as it's not breathing and whistling!
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True. If every iPhone user was a throwaway consumer, there wouldn't have been such an outrage over apple "updating" slowness and inefficiency into older devices.
Says all the iPhone users. Your phones are throttled by the manufacturers and you still defend them and buy their products. Not very smart consumers. Sorry.
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So tired of the audience participation in these endless phone wars. Oh you have a smart phone? Dope! They’re cool and useful. Anyway
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Does it matter? They made it easy to ROM and now my device gets to live on by the support of the community. That's how tech should be. We can't expect endless support from companies (it's just not realistic) but if they don't actively hinder you from owning your own device and making it somewhat modifiable, it adds a lot of life.
In the context of the iPhone XR mentioned by the post I replied to, that "official ROM" is nearly non-functional, is that really better in your opinion?
It does matter because for most people that phone became e-waste around 2020. Iphones released that year got major OS upgrades till 2022 and are still getting security updates.
I do wish Apple was forced to unlock the bootloader, but for 95% of users, their phones get significantly longer support than normal.
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The Iphone is a luxury commodity and like all luxury commodities it marketed for people with little sense and lots of money who are easily separated from the ladder with shiny trinkets. Before the Iphone there was the Rolex and the super-secret clothing designer brands only 1%er yuppies think they know about. Before that people ground up egyptian mummies for medicine/taste and bought expensive jar of nutmeg spice from halfway across the world imported via boat. These kind of people were always going to spend 2000$ on trinkets whether its a 2000$ pocket computer or a 800$ wrist watch is a difference in taste. The real question is why humanity can't shed this consumerist prone archetype what is it about people constantly wanting new shiny things that they don't need and for which the money can go to a better place? Why do modern consumerist not have the ability to tell corporations to fuck off? Why is it that after a quarter century of time to get used to the concept of a computer and an email people tantrum and shriek when their tappy button gets moved 2 inches to the left without knowing how to fix it? Why do we consider this an acceptable baseline for human intelligence and emotional volatility?
And the $2k Galaxy Folds are for discerning consumers?
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And the $2k Galaxy Folds are for discerning consumers?
No, the 100-200$ Galaxy S mid range android phone with half decent RAM, screen size, actual specs and features that enable practical work, social communication, or entertainment consumption with a reasonable price to lifespan cycle ratio is.
You know, something you can actually buy outright, calculate approximately how much value you got by how many years it lasted before breaking, and not get stuck into a never-ending cycle of slowly frog-boiling raising contract rates.
So wheres the brand new retail sold 200$ Iphone budget entry for the plebs to access the IOS ecosystem on the cheap?
Yeah, I thought so. its called market segregation and Apple knows the exact crowd they made a billion dollar industry pleasing.
Any phone thats >500$ and doubley so for >1000$ are for the people who spend hundreds of dollars a month on contracts renewing them continuously every two years convinced its somehow a deal and don't think twice about it. Different flavor of luxury good gotta get that tribalism social posturing in after all.
If you were a true professional in an industry making complete use for videography, audio recording and editing, music production, I could maybe see it.
But lets be real, thats the statistical outlier for apple users you know exactly what 99% of people do with their phones. Check emails, shit posting on the internet, watch youtube, MAYBE record a quick video or picture without knowing how to manually balance anything or even knowing what an ISO is.
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The Iphone is a luxury commodity and like all luxury commodities it marketed for people with little sense and lots of money who are easily separated from the ladder with shiny trinkets. Before the Iphone there was the Rolex and the super-secret clothing designer brands only 1%er yuppies think they know about. Before that people ground up egyptian mummies for medicine/taste and bought expensive jar of nutmeg spice from halfway across the world imported via boat. These kind of people were always going to spend 2000$ on trinkets whether its a 2000$ pocket computer or a 800$ wrist watch is a difference in taste. The real question is why humanity can't shed this consumerist prone archetype what is it about people constantly wanting new shiny things that they don't need and for which the money can go to a better place? Why do modern consumerist not have the ability to tell corporations to fuck off? Why is it that after a quarter century of time to get used to the concept of a computer and an email people tantrum and shriek when their tappy button gets moved 2 inches to the left without knowing how to fix it? Why do we consider this an acceptable baseline for human intelligence and emotional volatility?
wrote last edited by [email protected]I would argue it is premium, not luxury.
Premium like a flagship Samsung, offering extra features and quality for the buyer, usually for a disproportionately higher price. Luxury is where there is no extra value offered beyond brand recognition, signaling to yourself and the world that your can afford it (like the obscure clothing brands you mention).
Not many luxury phone brands exist, maybe Vertu with gold and diamond set phones. Cars are an easier comparison, premium is e.g. MB, Audi or BMW, while luxury is Bentley, RR or Ferrari.
Rolex is also more of a premium product within the watch market, it is machine made and mass produced to a very high quality level, offering additional value (like better accuracy, less steel corrosion, longer service intervals) compared to other automatic Swiss watches. On the other hand, luxury hand made watches like Patek Philippe or FP Journe are not competing with others by offering better technical parameters, but dominate due to their brand recognition, making rich people beg salespeople to get a chance to buy them.
This of course doesn’t really make a difference beyond marketing, as most people cannot afford a 10k Rolex or a 200k FP Journe either - but they do hold a very different position in their market.
To answer your question, I think most humans are very social, and always seek to stand out with status and personal brand within their group. Capitalism offers the easy way to do this - buy this thing, and show the world what you are worth. It unfortunately works, as it targets our strong primal instincts.
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If phones were built to last and something you would only buy once every 10ish years, I think we would all be better for it. I also think buying a phone from new would mean something different than it does in today's consumer culture. It would be way cheaper longterm for everybody as well.
The used phone market only exists because of the current buy and throw away culture we live in.
Personally I wish there was a way to just build a phone like with PCs. With the exception of needing to upgrade my SSDs my computer is basically good for another 10 years or so, I wish I could do the same for a smart phone.
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Personally I wish there was a way to just build a phone like with PCs. With the exception of needing to upgrade my SSDs my computer is basically good for another 10 years or so, I wish I could do the same for a smart phone.
That would be awesome, ngl. Maybe someday. I'm pretty sure that if a company started selling itself as a build a phone-company they would become quite successful very quickly. If I had the knowhow, I would straight up try and see if this idea has legs.
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No, the 100-200$ Galaxy S mid range android phone with half decent RAM, screen size, actual specs and features that enable practical work, social communication, or entertainment consumption with a reasonable price to lifespan cycle ratio is.
You know, something you can actually buy outright, calculate approximately how much value you got by how many years it lasted before breaking, and not get stuck into a never-ending cycle of slowly frog-boiling raising contract rates.
So wheres the brand new retail sold 200$ Iphone budget entry for the plebs to access the IOS ecosystem on the cheap?
Yeah, I thought so. its called market segregation and Apple knows the exact crowd they made a billion dollar industry pleasing.
Any phone thats >500$ and doubley so for >1000$ are for the people who spend hundreds of dollars a month on contracts renewing them continuously every two years convinced its somehow a deal and don't think twice about it. Different flavor of luxury good gotta get that tribalism social posturing in after all.
If you were a true professional in an industry making complete use for videography, audio recording and editing, music production, I could maybe see it.
But lets be real, thats the statistical outlier for apple users you know exactly what 99% of people do with their phones. Check emails, shit posting on the internet, watch youtube, MAYBE record a quick video or picture without knowing how to manually balance anything or even knowing what an ISO is.
So wheres the brand new retail sold 200$ Iphone budget entry for the plebs to access the IOS ecosystem on the cheap?
They used to have the iPhone SE series, which was significantly cheaper than the standard ones. Prices went up on those each generation, though, and they discontinued it for the "e" variants for the mainline iPhones, which are much more expensive than even the most expensive SE.
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That would be awesome, ngl. Maybe someday. I'm pretty sure that if a company started selling itself as a build a phone-company they would become quite successful very quickly. If I had the knowhow, I would straight up try and see if this idea has legs.
It most certainly has legs the biggest problem is parts standardization and the lack of any companies actually trying to do that. Even just an early HP style built to order would be a step in the right direction.
