If you become a medical profession, do your job. End of story. Leave your personal crap at the door or get a new job.

the right to refuse providing life saving service to someone? even if I consider the person no longer a human because they chose to become a nazi?

not an actual right. if you can’t provide it, to everyone, even people who disgust you, you’re in the wrong industry.

Interesting so you would feel obligated to save Hitlers life from an injury that would be fatal without ur intervention?

reductio ad absurdum.

the guy having a heart attack by the mcdonalds with nazi tattoos is a nazi. not the same as literal hitler. still an inhuman piece of shit. still worthless. still required to provide care. not the target of a worldwide multinational military operation requiring millions of russians to take berlin.

If u become a soldier do ur job leave ur personal crap at the door or get a new job. U just justified the actions of the Nazis "I'm just following orders".

reductio ad absurdum.

I don't think so. If you do not retain the right to refuse service you must save Hitlers life. Given that the logic leads us to this ultimatum u must choose save Hitlers life ur retain the right to refuse service based on personal moral views.

think so

well then, you’re fucking wrong.

also “save life” different than “attempt”

A soldier's job includes disobeying illegal orders. That's the law. Try again.

To be fair, if you don't want to follow orders without question, you will find being a foot soldier particularly unpleasant.

But your moral equivalence between following orders to kill without question and saving lives and healing people without question is utterly bogus and broken.

I mean they didn't. "Do your job or do something else" and "I'm just following orders" are worlds apart.

One is expressing the opinion that if a person freely chooses a profession but then refuses to practice it for asinine reasons they should choose a different profession because they are incapable of doing the job correctly.

The other is an excuse Nazi's used to justify the shit they did.

Not the same.

The real problem here is that allowing medical professionals to pick and choose like you describe based on their personal values will lead to people dying. That's the entire reason for the Hippocratic oath, to provide an unbiased framework of ethics under which physicians practice.

Hypothetically, say you're straight, have a one night stand with your preferred gender and get AIDS. You feel sick go to a doctor and they refuse to treat you because AIDS is the "gay" disease and since you have AIDS, you must be gay and this Doctor doesn't "agree with that lifestyle." So you ask for one who does, turns out you're in a Catholic hospital and no one "agrees with that lifestyle" here. Sorry, you're fucked and maybe have to drive a few hours for treatment now because of some judgmental assholes. Or you die from AIDS because you live in America, in a red state, where you have no other options.

That phrase btw? The one about lifestyles? That's a fucking dog whistle.

Answer the ultimatum. That's all I ask.

your ultimatum was impossible to answer and absurd, so no.

Prior to the Nuremberg trials individual responsibility for disobeying unlawful orders was an implicit judgement and not explicitly stated.

And if we look at examples of people using the defence of I was disobeying orders due to them being in violation of international law they got arrested and locked up for the rest of their life (see David McBride).

It is sad that this is apparently considered to be impressive or even noteworthy.

I swapped the word for one profession with the word of another. In ancient Greek the word technē often used in philosophical discussion such as this was used for both interchangeably.

Why is it utterly bogus and broken. Ur opinion does not negate mine lest u have an argument to back your claim.

His faith demands he treat all patients equally:

"whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity" Qur'an 5:32

Nor can he impose his beliefs on others:

"Let there be no compulsion in religion" Qur'an 2:256

I mean they didn't. "Do your job or do something else" and "I'm just following orders" are worlds apart.

They are both an appeal to a moral framework higher than themselves.

One is expressing the opinion that if a person freely chooses a profession but then refuses to practice it for asinine reasons they should choose a different profession because they are incapable of doing the job correctly.

If I'm a bricklayer I can refuse services for any asinine reason I want that's just liberty, personal autonomy, and free will. Why is any other progression any different.

The other is an excuse Nazi's used to justify the shit they did.

Yep an excuse of I could not refuse "service" because I was told I had to because i had no liberty to do otherwise. The service of medics is healthcare the service of a soldier is death.

Not the same.

The parallels similar enough to raise real concerns.

The real problem here is that allowing medical professionals to pick and choose like you describe based on their personal values will lead to people dying. That's the entire reason for the Hippocratic oath, to provide an unbiased framework of ethics under which physicians practice.

Which Hippocratic oath? Cos the original forbids prescribing death, allowing abortion, or c sections, it also says "". The newer one "" still says "". And the only one that does not is the "" which is the only one with explicit statements of neutrality but doesn't really provide much ethical framework beyond that. And yeah people die every day should I be forced to donate all my money to stop that? U have internet and a phone that decision has killed a countable number of people that you could have prevented.

Hypothetically, say you're straight, have a one night stand with your preferred gender and get AIDS. You feel sick go to a doctor and they refuse to treat you because AIDS is the "gay" disease and since you have AIDS, you must be gay and this Doctor doesn't "agree with that lifestyle." So you ask for one who does, turns out you're in a Catholic hospital and no one "agrees with that lifestyle" here. Sorry, you're fucked and maybe have to drive a few hours for treatment now because of some judgmental assholes. Or you die from AIDS because you live in America, in a red state, where you have no other options.

If its a government hospital they cannot refuse service for that reason and must find someone willing to service you because the state services are bound by anti discrimination laws. An individual should have the right to refuse to service an individual if servicing them is against their religion etc. Its the equivalent of forcing a Muslim chef to make pork because if they refuse it could cause harm to the person who wants to eat pork.

That phrase btw? The one about lifestyles? That's a fucking dog whistle.

The term dog whistle has been so overused to the point it just means something said by people I disagree with. Language is an ever changing thing its simply a set of sounds with an agreed upon meaning. People then attempt to prevent people from conveying particular meaning they do this by restricting the sounds that convey this meaning. So people come up with a new set of sounds that mean they same thing. Hence u have a dig whistle. Winnie the pooh is a dog whistle for fuck Xi Jinping because the CCP banned the original words that means that. A dog whistle is what u get when u censor and silence opinions. A dog whistle is not inherently a bad thing its simply an adaptation to censorship.

You do see how your example is very different, right? Right?

If a soldier doesn't want to commit atrocities, they have a choice. Dishonorable discharge? Better than murder.

If a doctor doesn't want to do certain operations, they have a choice. Get a new profession.

There's always choice.

your ultimatum was impossible to answer

Yes that's the point. U cannot hold any 2 beliefs without running into at least one contradiction. Do u compromise on one belief or do u continue living pracricing literal doublethink.

and absurd

All hypotheticals are, that's why they are a hypothetical

, so no.

I guess u have chosen doublethink. I wouldn't want to be on the side of the absolute authoritarian big brother but that's just me I guess.

no no. the impossible part is that he’s already dead. you cannot be presented with your example.