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  • U [email protected]

    How would I not know the political views of my husband?

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    It's possible that his views were conflicted.

    I have family whose politics I understand pretty well, and I don't know who they voted for. What I do know is that they were torn between: "Trump's blatant antisemitism is a danger to us here in America" and "Trump is good for Israel".

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    • I [email protected]

      They look young. Probably not voting for anybody.

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      The majority of Americans in general regardless of age didn't vote at all. I think I understand what you were trying to say either that or you were just being ageist

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      • C [email protected]

        History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn't happening and maybe claim they don't have enough control and we'll hear the term bipartisan.

        That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore. When they DO have some ability to improve things, they barely do. Biden proved to be exactly the slow-moving watered-down change I expected.

        Fuck em all. And fuck you when you tell me how wrong I am. I really don't give a fuck.

        Put up serious change on the ticket or I'll just roll my eyes again.

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        I was with you in the first half, until you said you don't vote. You're as much to blame for this shit as anyone

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        • C [email protected]

          That's an unproveable negative, and a strawman. An easy enough target for a crappy argument.

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          If only we could all people why they didn't vote. Oh wait, we have! There's hundreds of polls asking people their reasons.

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            That's not what I said, why bother replying if you didn't read my comment?

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            That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore

            That's literally the first thing you said. Everything else you've said is just doomer shit or that you should leave but also you aren't? So you are advocating for what exactly???? 🤔

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            • K [email protected]

              That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore

              That's literally the first thing you said. Everything else you've said is just doomer shit or that you should leave but also you aren't? So you are advocating for what exactly???? 🤔

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              I'm not that person, check the usernames.

              My only point is I think there's actually better stuff to focus on than whether people voted or not. I think it's probably on the whole better to vote for the democrats than not vote. But I think there are good faith arguments against it and what really matters is more active ways of fighting fascism.

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                I'm not that person, check the usernames.

                My only point is I think there's actually better stuff to focus on than whether people voted or not. I think it's probably on the whole better to vote for the democrats than not vote. But I think there are good faith arguments against it and what really matters is more active ways of fighting fascism.

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                Oops that's my bad, I'm sorry.

                So, I agree with you that we need to do more, especially now, but that also includes voting too. Voting is bare minimum, if people can't vote, I can't see them doing much else.

                If they can do other more impactful things without voting then I'm all for it, but voting itself does not take away from doing more.

                Like for example, New Yorkers voting for Mamdani in this upcoming election is great, especially because it shows the nation that as a whole we can swing the total opposite direction.

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                  Is that what you've observed? What we've seen is that not holding political parties accountable for their past actions leads to them ignoring everyone except their donors.

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                  You don't have a solution if your solution starts with "if everyone would just". That's a hope or a fantasy. People won't just.

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                  • U [email protected]

                    How would I not know the political views of my husband?

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                    #79

                    there are entire departments at companies trying to turn people into insane conservatives

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                      Narrator: Neither of them voted.

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                      • S [email protected]

                        For your own safety you should really ask about their political ideology before meeting them. Make sure to not let them fool you either, never tell them yours first.

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                        Wait, that's dumb. If all "good" people refused to tell their political leanings, and you're not going to meet someone who will not disclose it, you're kinda' just setting up a lonely life with those assinine rules...

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                        • H [email protected]

                          It's possible that his views were conflicted.

                          I have family whose politics I understand pretty well, and I don't know who they voted for. What I do know is that they were torn between: "Trump's blatant antisemitism is a danger to us here in America" and "Trump is good for Israel".

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                          Ouch, two reasons not to vote for Trump, IMO...

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                          • B [email protected]

                            The majority of Americans in general regardless of age didn't vote at all. I think I understand what you were trying to say either that or you were just being ageist

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                            It is historically accurate to say younger people vote less.

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                            • K [email protected]

                              That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore

                              That's literally the first thing you said. Everything else you've said is just doomer shit or that you should leave but also you aren't? So you are advocating for what exactly???? 🤔

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                              Hoky shit, way to prove to that person (and the rest of us) that you really didn't read all of their post... The last statement makes it obvious they're espousing an entirely different angle.

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                              • D [email protected]

                                Cool story bud but that's not how shit works. Go play your reactionary, blame-shifting games elsewhere.

                                Edit: lol please keep responding you braindead Muppets, it lets me know who to block.

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                                That is LITERALLY how it works in a two party system, ffs... for being smart enough to care about the environment, that is purely brainless on the politics...

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                                  Wait, that's dumb. If all "good" people refused to tell their political leanings, and you're not going to meet someone who will not disclose it, you're kinda' just setting up a lonely life with those assinine rules...

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                                  #86

                                  just don't date white people

                                  play the odds

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                                  • I [email protected]

                                    They look young. Probably not voting for anybody.

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                                    yeah they look like they were drawn yesterday

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                                    • S [email protected]

                                      I'd rather live under fascism than to vote democrat

                                      That's you.

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                                      TIL you can commit a genocide without crossing the 'fascism' line

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                                      • P [email protected]

                                        Just for the sake of discussion, I think there's a real argument to be made that reversing 25% is actually worse than doing nothing, because it makes people complacent. "Controlled opposition", if you will.

                                        I'm not saying that's necessarily always the case, there are obviously tangible benefits to reducing some of the damage. But if it comes with allowing even more damage to be done later, because the changes are superficial and don't address the ways in which the right extremists can manipulate the political system, then people might be fooled into thinking the system still works and the long run consequences would be even more severe than if they realised it doesn't.

                                        And if you fully realise that the political system doesn't work then I don't think it entirely makes sense to get on someone's case about voting or not. Not that they shouldn't, but there are much bigger issues.

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                                        The 25% nonsense is purely vibes based anyway. They don't reverse anything. Even liberals recognize this with their 'ratchet' memes

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                                        • M [email protected]

                                          That is LITERALLY how it works in a two party system, ffs... for being smart enough to care about the environment, that is purely brainless on the politics...

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                                          When a parent tells a child 'the way it works' is that you only get to choose whether you want to brush your teeth before or after the last cartoon...

                                          It's only 'the way it works' in the context of the parent being in charge and deciding what they want to do unilaterally. It's not actually how the world works.

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