Infighting
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I didn’t deny any genocide.
I quoted you directly
But yes, I'm going to continue to take a page from your book. To everything you say: This is false.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You do you. I still believe we are actually on the same side.
I made a good faith effort to try and explain my views and show that even if you disagree, there is a measure of nuance in what I am saying. I will note that good faith effort doesn't mean I was agree with falsehoods.
I will just add that your abrasiveness and lack of desire to build bridges won't lead to anything good. Mark my words.
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You do you. I still believe we are actually on the same side.
I made a good faith effort to try and explain my views and show that even if you disagree, there is a measure of nuance in what I am saying. I will note that good faith effort doesn't mean I was agree with falsehoods.
I will just add that your abrasiveness and lack of desire to build bridges won't lead to anything good. Mark my words.
I made a good faith effort to try and explain my views and show that even if you disagree, there is a measure of nuance in what I am saying.
This is false.
I will note that good faith effort doesn’t mean I was agree with falsehoods.
Great, neither will I. Especially not genocide denial.
I will just add that your abrasiveness and lack of desire to build bridges won’t lead to anything good. Mark my words.
This is false
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The issue is that you're a minority in your camp. Broadly speaking, the left sees compromise as weakness, neutrality as cowardice, working with opposition towards a common cause as treachery. These are all symptoms of purity testing, and it's the reason why the left in so many places is completely paralyzed.
How do you know that isn't confirmation bias? We have no idea how many leftists there are that see purity testers and decide to not engage.
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Such an american comment. So indoctrinated into the two-party system that it's impossible to even imagine anything else.
Have you heard of the concept of coalitions?
Yeah I'm American.
Because what I said definitely sounds like something that happens in American politics.
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How do you know that isn't confirmation bias? We have no idea how many leftists there are that see purity testers and decide to not engage.
It's a similar to MAGA in a way. MAGA's biggest problem, as an ideology, is that it revolves around blind loyalty to a single idiot and therefore the entire movement starts and stops with his whims, no matter how contradictory, damaging, or nonsensical. You could say it's confirmation bias that I have this opinion, but I think given recent events, this opinion does have a basis of fact to it. The same applies to the left when it comes to purity testing. It's really not hard to see how prominent purity testing is in leftist discourse.
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Literally only tankies are stupid enough to believe old Soviet Propaganda about how Holodomer was not a genocide. when it clearly was.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well you can either look at the now public soviet archives to see what the government was saying to themselves, you know primary sources, and plenty of historians who cite those or you can accept what anti-communists with no primary sources and a weird tendency to rehabilitate nazi-collaborators say.
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A professor in college once said something that stayed with me. He said that "bad ideologies will always find ways to self implode".
This stuck with me because it's true. Good ideologies tend to be pragmatic and flexible, and so they're able to adapt and evolve. However, bad ideologies tend to be more rigid and focus mostly on theories and ideals, and therefore they're unable to adapt or evolve. Far left ideologies firmly fall in the latter category which is why they are where they are.
interesting u should say that. theres actually this political system that someone used complex systems analysis to create in an adaptable, yet stable way. very much like the evolutionary process.
if ur interested, its this series, particularly part 2:
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It's a similar to MAGA in a way. MAGA's biggest problem, as an ideology, is that it revolves around blind loyalty to a single idiot and therefore the entire movement starts and stops with his whims, no matter how contradictory, damaging, or nonsensical. You could say it's confirmation bias that I have this opinion, but I think given recent events, this opinion does have a basis of fact to it. The same applies to the left when it comes to purity testing. It's really not hard to see how prominent purity testing is in leftist discourse.
It’s really not hard to see how prominent purity testing is in leftist discourse.
That's not what I'm asking, I'm saying you can't judge now many people are not engaging in purity testing.
You could say it’s confirmation bias that I have this opinion, but I think given recent events, this opinion does have a basis of fact to it
That's exactly what confirmation bias is. "All the toupees I see are bad, therefore, all toupees are bad." Confirmation bias with a basis of fact to it, still completely ignoring the toupees you don't notice.
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I do it all the time.
I literally never see it, but I do often see you saying things that are explicitly incompatible with anarchism.
Who’s shitty hot takes are regularly posted on and laughed at in many communities
"We make fun of you in our secret tree house that you aren't allowed in" is not the sick burn you think.
I could give you 10 to 13 calling them out.
And for every one tepid, qualified criticism of the democrats you offer, I could you give 20 of you viciously tearing into the left for not supporting the democrats enough.
However terminally online little trolls like yourself aren’t interested in facts or reality. And your disapproval is a badge of honor.
Oh my god, go back to Reddit you insufferable dweeb. You're really doing the "facts and logic" bullshit?
Damn, this is some serious beef if y'all are taking it between posts.
Surely internet arguments are siloed to the post. I literally remember none of the usernames of people I've had arguments with haha
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Well you can either look at the now public soviet archives to see what the government was saying to themselves, you know primary sources, and plenty of historians who cite those or you can accept what anti-communists with no primary sources and a weird tendency to rehabilitate nazi-collaborators say.
Academics all over the world are in consensus about this, and you can be sure they've examined all the sources available to them. Tankies are the only ones who want to argue otherwise.
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It’s really not hard to see how prominent purity testing is in leftist discourse.
That's not what I'm asking, I'm saying you can't judge now many people are not engaging in purity testing.
You could say it’s confirmation bias that I have this opinion, but I think given recent events, this opinion does have a basis of fact to it
That's exactly what confirmation bias is. "All the toupees I see are bad, therefore, all toupees are bad." Confirmation bias with a basis of fact to it, still completely ignoring the toupees you don't notice.
That’s not what I’m asking, I’m saying you can’t judge now many people are not engaging in purity testing.
That's a moot point. First of all, I'm not casting judgement, I'm simply pointing out the state of leftist unity. You can't deny that purity testing is a huge element in leftist discourse, and if you are going to anyway then you're simply not being honest. It doesn't matter how self identifying leftists do or don't purity test, the point is that enough do where it's a cornerstone of leftist culture.
That’s exactly what confirmation bias is. “All the toupees I see are bad, therefore, all toupees are bad.” Confirmation bias with a basis of fact to it, still completely ignoring the toupees you don’t notice.
That's not what confirmation bias is. Confirmation bias is when you actively seek out information that support your preexisting beliefs. My opinion is not confirmation bias, but a simple observation.
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That’s not what I’m asking, I’m saying you can’t judge now many people are not engaging in purity testing.
That's a moot point. First of all, I'm not casting judgement, I'm simply pointing out the state of leftist unity. You can't deny that purity testing is a huge element in leftist discourse, and if you are going to anyway then you're simply not being honest. It doesn't matter how self identifying leftists do or don't purity test, the point is that enough do where it's a cornerstone of leftist culture.
That’s exactly what confirmation bias is. “All the toupees I see are bad, therefore, all toupees are bad.” Confirmation bias with a basis of fact to it, still completely ignoring the toupees you don’t notice.
That's not what confirmation bias is. Confirmation bias is when you actively seek out information that support your preexisting beliefs. My opinion is not confirmation bias, but a simple observation.
First of all, I’m not casting judgement
boy you really aren't understanding what I'm saying if you think that's how I was using "judge"
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First of all, I’m not casting judgement
boy you really aren't understanding what I'm saying if you think that's how I was using "judge"
I did misread your comment, and I apologize for that but my point still stands. We're not doing a survey here, we're simply observing the current state of leftist culture and discourse in society. Looking at the the left right, can you say that purity testing is prominent element of it? It's a simple yes or no question, and I think the answer is a yes if we're being honest.
