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    Apparently you're supposed to get that experience as an unpaid intern before graduation. Some fucking bullshit, really.

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    • catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zoneC [email protected]

      Just apply anyway if it otherwise seems like a good fit. The requirements listed, except those required by law, are a wish list and not a minimum for consideration.

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      I really wish more people understood this. Assuming you manage to get past the automated screening (which, to be fair, can be hard if you're missing something obvious from their list), what matters is whether you appear competant and a good fit. Of course, if two candidates are similar, but one has more experience, they're more likely to get the job, but it's not a hard cut off.

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        I really wish more people understood this. Assuming you manage to get past the automated screening (which, to be fair, can be hard if you're missing something obvious from their list), what matters is whether you appear competant and a good fit. Of course, if two candidates are similar, but one has more experience, they're more likely to get the job, but it's not a hard cut off.

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        I really wish more people understood this.

        Silly people taking 'requirement' literally. I'll bet they think the listed work hours and pay are literal too!

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        • spankmonkey@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

          I really wish more people understood this.

          Silly people taking 'requirement' literally. I'll bet they think the listed work hours and pay are literal too!

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          Yes, I agree it's ridiculous, but it's the way it is. Remember that the company is basically shopping for a new employee though. I you're looking to buy a new T.V., for instance, you probably start out with a list of things you really want it to have. Then you start looking for T.V.s and find that while that one has all the inputs you hoped for, it's twice the price of that one, which is just missing one, that you can probably get by without. Companies have to make a value judgement on every candidate, weighing thingsvlike length of experience against breadth of knowledge or how they'll fit in.

          It would be better if the hours and pay were as stated, but they're part of the negotiation too. The harder the job is to fill, the stronger the candidate's position is in those negotiations, and visa versa.

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            Joke’s on you, the positions are resume farms and your field isn’t hiring.

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              Yes, I agree it's ridiculous, but it's the way it is. Remember that the company is basically shopping for a new employee though. I you're looking to buy a new T.V., for instance, you probably start out with a list of things you really want it to have. Then you start looking for T.V.s and find that while that one has all the inputs you hoped for, it's twice the price of that one, which is just missing one, that you can probably get by without. Companies have to make a value judgement on every candidate, weighing thingsvlike length of experience against breadth of knowledge or how they'll fit in.

              It would be better if the hours and pay were as stated, but they're part of the negotiation too. The harder the job is to fill, the stronger the candidate's position is in those negotiations, and visa versa.

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              The thing is, they often have preferred skills and experience listed in addition to the so called requirements. Both being used as preferred is very confusing to anyone who doesn't know that job listings are an absolute crap fest of misleading information and the common ways to interpret what 'they really mean'.

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              • tallonmetroid@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                Apparently you're supposed to get that experience as an unpaid intern before graduation. Some fucking bullshit, really.

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                In all seriousness, getting an internship is key for a lot of industries now. And if you can’t be a paid internship, you should at least see if you can get college credit.

                I was lucky enough to figure out how to get both credit and a shitty paycheck. Which was the ideal internship.

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                  Unpaid. The secret is they want you to do unpaid work. It's bullshit.

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                    Just apply anyway if it otherwise seems like a good fit. The requirements listed, except those required by law, are a wish list and not a minimum for consideration.

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                    Unless they're using AI to filter, then it can be a hard requirement.

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                      The thing is, they often have preferred skills and experience listed in addition to the so called requirements. Both being used as preferred is very confusing to anyone who doesn't know that job listings are an absolute crap fest of misleading information and the common ways to interpret what 'they really mean'.

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                      Absolutely. Its absurd that the system works like this, but it does. Candidates understanding this evens the field somewhat, or, at least, expands the opportunities.

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                        Unpaid. The secret is they want you to do unpaid work. It's bullshit.

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                        Or have rich parents that can cover the unpaid part, and so the whole job market turns more of an elitist afair.

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                          Reminder: 80% of jobs never reach job boards. Most businesses hire people via their social networks.

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                            Apparently you're supposed to get that experience as an unpaid intern before graduation. Some fucking bullshit, really.

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                            I am a chemical engineer, and they basically don’t want to hire anyone without 2-3 years of post graduate experience and even then the majority of jobs seem to want more than 5 years of post graduate experience. Every year I watch the amount of entry level jobs drop more and more as companies just don’t want to train people anymore

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                              Offer to work for your uncle for a few years to get your foot in the door. It's nobodies fault but your own if your don't have an uncle in the field.

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                                It's too thin. May I get a blanket at least?

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                                Dude just make up a bunch of companies and your friends are the owners/managers. I did that shit a lot when I was younger and when I had no "experience " for certain jobs. I also had a few that were businesses I started. But instead of saying that (employer's really hate you once owning your own business) I would just put it on my resume like I was employee for said company. And the reason I left "company retired"

                                Resumes are bullshit ans easy to fake. What matters is your referrals. The main problem today is getting past fucking the AI filters.

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                                  Unless they're using AI to filter, then it can be a hard requirement.

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                                  You taylor the resume to the position you want, and just put all the keywords in your resume as the shit they are looking for. That gets you pass the AI. Then a real human can then look at your resume and will give you a call. How I finally got through it.

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                                    I really wish more people understood this. Assuming you manage to get past the automated screening (which, to be fair, can be hard if you're missing something obvious from their list), what matters is whether you appear competant and a good fit. Of course, if two candidates are similar, but one has more experience, they're more likely to get the job, but it's not a hard cut off.

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                                    You fake it until you make it. I'm shit with Excell but that's not what it says on my resume.

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                                      Here's this in animated form:

                                      https://m.youtube.com/shorts/QanuKPVPbPE

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                                        Reminds me of trying to break into Linux Sysadmin work. Every entry-level job required five years of experience.

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                                          Rip all careers caught on the wrong side of the algorithm

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