If you did have a time machine, how would you get everyone to vote?

We had all that under Biden too, and Kamala promised to do what Trump had been doing, but more competently.

Oh there’d be no way I alone would be able to move that mountain. The concept I spoke of involved everyone from right now, going back to 2024 knowing then what we know now…. for a do-over.

But the more I read through the comments, the more I have to accept that many of the people here would chose not change a fucking thing.

There’s tons of people here who were here during the election that were crying and shouting for everyone to not vote blue.

Every single one of them that haven’t run away or rolled an alt so as to return to play the victim of their own decisions- are still going on about that shit. Not a single one admitting they made a mistake and that they wished they could have helped stop this. Not ONE. Yet you don’t see anyone wishing they hadn’t voted against Trump. Even if they (like me) had to plug their nose to do it.

So at this point, I think the collective ignorance has reached such a profound level, that it would be impervious to any form of modification via time travel. It’s so much a part of our fucking culture now, that there’s no chance we wouldn’t just take that shit back there with us. Hell, I’d go so far as to say that our ignorance so fucking prevalent within us that I honestly believe that at this point- it’s embedded into our evolutionary process- essentially….

stupidity is in our DNA.

I don’t debate of even bother with people that make shit up in order to be a part of, or stay in the discussion.

Either play within the margins of reality, or go home.

For all of your sakes, I hope you're right, but what is happening right now is literally every single right is being stripped away. Even the right to vote is in a thin line. Is it worth fighting if you're no longer allowed to vote? If not, the american people are as spineless as I always thought they were.

It’s easy to pass judgment, isn’t it?

Do you surf the Internet to see the exact same takes you have or to see some new perspectives?

Thats like salting then bleaching the plants in your garden because butterflies disturb you. You can do it to show how powerful you are but you're really doing more damage to yourself.

Yeah guys! It's very important that we learn nothing from history and that we ignore the signs of fascism rearing its head once more. /s

No one said anything about winning. I think their point was that it was all losing.

I did say unless you include nukes.

And my point was that they don’t even need them to shut that shit down.

So let’s just loose even more then, right? I can’t fucking stand people that are so smugly arrogant and entitled that they think no one will be affected by their ignorance.

Their wishful thinking remain so regardless of how badly they want it, and the result of their wishful thinking got us trump.

You're absolutely fucking stupid if you think this is better. You get a genocide plus an erosion of every facet of your life, reducing your potential impact to affect said genocide.

Genocide started underBlue MAGA, they supported it.
What happens to the US and their erosion is deserved, they onlu cared about themselves anyway.
Now they get a taste of their own medicine. Enjoy

Of course, historically people "could have imagined". I'm talking about seeing this through the eyes of a civilian that is brought off a train wagon and told they are being put in a labour camp. In that situation, I think very few people have it in them to imagine that their captors are organising the largest and most industrialised mass murder in history, and that they won't even make it out of the "showers" alive.

I don't expect them to launch a revolt, but with prisoners outnumbering guards 100:1, I don't think so many would have walked to their execution in orderly files. I think there would have been a lot more kicking and screaming involved if they knew what was coming. Remember that these weren't strangers either: We're talking about whole families and all their friends sitting calmly together on the train and walking willingly into the gas chambers. That only happens if people are lured into thinking this is something other than it is.

You know how you could change it? By convincing the DNC they will 100% lose on the platform and actions that made them lose. Nothing else, going back and trying to tell millions of people that ICE will send people to concentration camps and deprive them of due process and give Israel unlimited logistical and diplomatic support as they commit a genocide, and they will say "...like theyre doing now?"

Do you not remember the Migrant overflow facilities they concentrated immigrants in under Biden, in greater numbers? Oh right, you went back to brunch once a D was doing the same shit we all agreed was bad when Trump was doing it.

I am a specists, and I believe equal rights and dignity extend to all humans. And farm animals are not humans.

Now, obviously morality shifts as the society evolves so I am open to reconsider my position. Maybe the day we let farm animals vote will be the day I become vegan.

ntt is a fallacious line of argument. it falls prey to the spectrum fallacy.