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  • N
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    Forgot where I read because it's been years ago, but someone said that humans should be blessed being born human and not as sheep, as sheep can be led anywhere without question including for slaughter.

  • S
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    Apart from a broken spirit, there's also a lot of denial. "This can't be happening. It can't be that bad. It all will be over soon. We'll make it through."

    prisoners outnumbering guards 100:1

    100 unarmed, malnourished civilians, many of them old, young or female and almost all of them never having killed or even seriously hurt anyone in their lives vs 1 murderous soldier who has already murdered dozens of people today alone, armed with training, guns and fortified positions... It's not a winnable fight. Maybe if you put exactly these 101 people in one room the 100 could stand somewhat of a chance, but that's not what happened here.

    Look for example at the referenced Sonderkommando revolt. From what I can find, the Sonderkommando consisted of able-bodied men in somewhat ok condition. They were pretty much the best-suited for a revolt. And still at the end of the revolt, 452 Sonderkommando members were dead and only 3 Nazi soldiers died. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Also, compared to the regular prisoners, the Sonderkommando members actually knew what was going on and that nobody was supposed to make it out of the camp alive. They managed to keep the extermination a secret even inside the camps.

  • S
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    Why should they? Adults are more expensive to raise per kg of meat.

  • S
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    Because if you take this as a metaphor, there's always a worse place to go.

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    Sounds like someone who wants to cover up their own speciesism.

  • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU
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    The time for retreat and insurrection was the day Kraków fell, not the day you stepped out of a prison train.

    Go read about the Colditz Castle Prison Break. That involved full units of British POWs collaborating in the waning days of Nazi occupation. And it still failed, getting virtually everyone killed.

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    speciesism is necessary for correct action.

    Edit:

    from the wikipedia page on speciesism:

    Speciesism is not merely plausible; it is essential for right conduct, because those who will not make the morally relevant distinctions among species are almost certain, in consequence, to misapprehend their true obligations.

  • D
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    "Correct" as defined by human supremacists. Yuck.

  • C
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    as defined by a professional ethicist.

  • T
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    I never said the kicking and screaming would have been successful. I'm just trying to explain why I think so many people went quietly, and pointing out that most people, when faced with the prospect that their entire family, all their friends, and they themselves face imminent death if they do nothing will tend to do something, regardless of whether it's likely to succeed.

  • T
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    I'm not saying they "should have" done anything specific. I'm pointing out that pretty much the only explanation for why they went as quietly as they did was that they didn't know what was coming. People that are knowingly faced with the imminent murder of their family will not typically stand idly and watch.

  • S
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    Also, keep in mind that there are fates worse than a quick painless death in the gas chambers. And the Nazis very much used those as well.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ
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    You have one specific meat industry largely organized around killing baby animals.

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    why should baby animals matter more than any other? one that's had longer to live and develop relationships surely is worse to be led to slaughter than one with hardly any understanding of the world and their place in it.

  • M
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    I assumed the adults were a lot bigger.

  • M
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    I think ypu are falling for the trap of blaming the other victims. No matter how people voted, the person doing the evil is still who needs to be blamed. Well him, and the system that let him get there in the first place.
    Your anger is justified, but directing it at people you have never met, and most of whichs vote made no difference (lot of blue state voters didn't vote, but the state still went blue) is only going to cause more people to be disillusioned and not vote.

  • M
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    Two non nukes per city would be barely a scratch. Maybe a few thousand people per city if you hit the most densly populated spot.

  • M
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    Look up what a Trident 2 D5 can do.

  • M
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    Everything I see talks about it being nuclear. So no source on what it can do with a non nuclear payload. But I feel confident it is less than MOAB. And that can't kill to many.

  • S
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    Not a lot. Growth slows down fast when an animal gets older.

    So they are slaughtered at between 6 and 12 months, because that's the time where the growth slows down too much.

    No point in having a 30% heavier animal if it takes 2x as long to get to that point.