Final thoughts re: FediCon 2025
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As I write this, I'm sitting on an airplane flying over the Canadian prairies on my way home from Vancouver, BC.
What an amazing group of individuals, who took the time out of their extraordinarily busy lives to see, hear, and learn about the fediverse! The connections made and ideas discussed were so important, and you could feel the energy in the air.
You'd think after a solid six hours a day in a lecture hall would be enough, but at every opportunity in between, there were lively discussions about ActivityPub and the fediverse. It turns out when you get all of us in a group together we can talk and continue to talk about the open social web for ages.
I now have a to-do list about a kilometer long, they all need to get done ASAP!
Thank you to [email protected] for organizing this conference, all of those who helped out and participated, and all those who attended.
From now on, whenever someone points a camera to me, I'll picture [email protected] saying "say FEEEEEEDIVERSE".
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[email protected] sounds like mastodon.sdf.org needs to upgrade their Mastodon server!
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@julian right....
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@julian beautiful thoughts, thanks for attaching pics of the after party!
Again thanks to @reiver for bringing us all together for #FediCon2025
@jaz saying exactly that is my happy closing memory of the day
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Videos at [email protected]
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@devnull Did you happen to speak to anyone about the future of SocialHub while at FediCon? Did your impressions match what Johannes reported in the reboot vs. shutdown topic?
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@devnull Did you happen to speak to anyone about the future of SocialHub while at FediCon? Did your impressions match what Johannes reported in the reboot vs. shutdown topic?
[email protected] I spoke to quite a few people at fedicon about this exact issue.
Many feel that some sort of discussion platform is needed, but for one reason or another SocialHub is not that platform.
They did often agree with my assertion that discussion of activitypub topics should take place on the fediverse itself.
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[email protected] I spoke to quite a few people at fedicon about this exact issue.
Many feel that some sort of discussion platform is needed, but for one reason or another SocialHub is not that platform.
They did often agree with my assertion that discussion of activitypub topics should take place on the fediverse itself.
julian:for one reason or another SocialHub is not that platform.
I'm curious to hear those reasons in some detail, ideally from the horses mouth. Whether here, in the verse (I'm @strypey at mastodon.nzoss.nz), or elsewise (contact info in the profile for that account). That helps us figure out what needs to be done differently. No need to worry about upsetting me, I respect absolute candour, and commit to replying both honestly and respectfully.
julian:activitypub topics should take place on the fediverse itself.
I agree. As @how said in the against fragmentation topic, SH is part of the fediverse. But it also offers things that ephemeral micro-posting chatter doesn't, not least permanent archiving for later reference, and an entry point for newbies. If it's not doing a good job, let's talk about why, and do something about it.
One thing we could experiment with, if you're keen, is a complete mirror of the existing SH using NodeBB. With full archives, and full federation so anything posted to one can be read on both. That way people can use their forum interface of choice to participate (as well as being able to use other apps via AP federation). It also ends the problem of the existing SH being a SPoF, and thus a source of tension and territorial conflict.
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julian:
for one reason or another SocialHub is not that platform.
I'm curious to hear those reasons in some detail, ideally from the horses mouth. Whether here, in the verse (I'm @strypey at mastodon.nzoss.nz), or elsewise (contact info in the profile for that account). That helps us figure out what needs to be done differently. No need to worry about upsetting me, I respect absolute candour, and commit to replying both honestly and respectfully.
julian:activitypub topics should take place on the fediverse itself.
I agree. As @how said in the against fragmentation topic, SH is part of the fediverse. But it also offers things that ephemeral micro-posting chatter doesn't, not least permanent archiving for later reference, and an entry point for newbies. If it's not doing a good job, let's talk about why, and do something about it.
One thing we could experiment with, if you're keen, is a complete mirror of the existing SH using NodeBB. With full archives, and full federation so anything posted to one can be read on both. That way people can use their forum interface of choice to participate (as well as being able to use other apps via AP federation). It also ends the problem of the existing SH being a SPoF, and thus a source of tension and territorial conflict.
There is no existing, up-to-date exporter for Discourse to NodeBB. One would have to pay someone to do it.
While we (the royal we, NodeBB Inc.) would gladly take your money, you're better off sending it to nitro-porter, whose migrator is OSS.
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[email protected] I spoke to quite a few people at fedicon about this exact issue.
Many feel that some sort of discussion platform is needed, but for one reason or another SocialHub is not that platform.
They did often agree with my assertion that discussion of activitypub topics should take place on the fediverse itself.
Yeah. I have no idea how to follow SocialHub discussions from my Mastodon account. I see the post I'm replying to you because I'm following you, but it's disembodied -- I don't see the rest of the thread. And I can search for @[email protected] but its profile is empty.
Not only that, If I'm reading it over there, and see something I want to reply to from here, doing the "copy this URL" trick doesn't work. Does that mean I'm not in the fediverse??? Hard to know, but in any case I haven't yet figured out how I can participate in discussions there except by replying to somebody I follow.
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Yeah. I have no idea how to follow SocialHub discussions from my Mastodon account. I see the post I'm replying to you because I'm following you, but it's disembodied -- I don't see the rest of the thread. And I can search for @[email protected] but its profile is empty.
Not only that, If I'm reading it over there, and see something I want to reply to from here, doing the "copy this URL" trick doesn't work. Does that mean I'm not in the fediverse??? Hard to know, but in any case I haven't yet figured out how I can participate in discussions there except by replying to somebody I follow.
[email protected] I don't want to get overly technical about it, but that's due to fixable deficiencies in Discourse's AP integration.
I think you should be able to follow the @[email protected] actor, no?
The "copy URL" flow is especially prevalent on the fediverse, but Discourse doesn't support it (neither does Ghost, while I am talking about it.)
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@julian I don't want these posts cluttering up my home feed, I just want to be able to read and participate in the conversations. On Bluesky there's an ATProto feed that's got a bunch of discussion, I can check it when I feel like it (and people who want to can add it to their home feed) and reply
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@julian I don't want these posts cluttering up my home feed, I just want to be able to read and participate in the conversations. On Bluesky there's an ATProto feed that's got a bunch of discussion, I can check it when I feel like it (and people who want to can add it to their home feed) and reply
@julian Also, speaking of fixable deficiencies, my edits here don't seem to propagate to SocialHub . Without knowing the code I'm confident it's fixable because my edits did propagate to the NodeBB thread at https://community.nodebb.org/topic/18932/final-thoughts-re-fedicon-2025/14 , great to see!
