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  • C [email protected]

    What if they were in a state where their vote wouldn't have even remotely changed the electoral vote outcome? It's a strawman blame game you're playing to feel smug about yourself in a generalized approach.

    You don't know anyone's personal situation yet you have no qualm placing blame for a worldwide issue on a single individual.

    Good for you. You shamed someone for not solving the worlds climate issues with a single fucking vote that may not have even made any difference at all.

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    Doing something is always better than doing nothing. You don’t get to cry if you did nothing, nobody should care about nothing, if you do nothing you are nothing. Stop fucking crying about it.

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      Theres a fire in my kitchen, but the fire extinguisher is only going to stop like 25% of the damage, so I'm committed to not stopping the fire.

      To be clear, I also don't support the fire. But the fire extinguisher is:

      • filled with chemicals
      • makes a huge mess
      • costs money to recharge
      • may cause other damage from overspray

      So the best thing for me and my kitchen is to do nothing until they make a "fix my kitchen" spray.

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      When you need the fire department but are only allowed to die trying to fight the out of control blaze or die throwing gas on it.

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      • M [email protected]

        Ouch, two reasons not to vote for Trump, IMO...

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        Genocide the natives and take their land? It does sound very American to be fair.

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        • M [email protected]

          Racism isn't the answer. That's just literally perpetuating problems.

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          #108

          white isn't a race it's the social construct that means the absence of race

          Irish stopped being a race when they were accepted into whiteness by becoming police in large number

          That's why it's literally impossible to be racist against white people

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          • antioutsideaktion@lemmy.mlA [email protected]

            just don't date white people

            play the odds

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            Oh I hate to break it to you, many people of color are very conservative, and some are also maga supporters.

            The real advice is don't date people from known conservative places, go to liberal cities where you can at least know they are more-likely-than-not, to be at least left-of-center, and possibly a leftist.

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            • H [email protected]

              It's possible that his views were conflicted.

              I have family whose politics I understand pretty well, and I don't know who they voted for. What I do know is that they were torn between: "Trump's blatant antisemitism is a danger to us here in America" and "Trump is good for Israel".

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              Oh lol I know someone like this. My (older) brother hates black people, but he is also smart enough to vote for Harris because we weren't born here and he doesn't want to be on the receiving end of racism. Now that's what I assumed anyways, he never told me who he voted for. But he spoke against trump and said he's a racist and doesn't like trump, and spoke positively of Biden, saying that "at least Biden didn't use Asian Americans as scapegoats [referring to covid], while that's what trump did", but he also refuse to recognize that he (my brother) himself is a racist lol.

              People are so weird.

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              • antioutsideaktion@lemmy.mlA [email protected]

                When a parent tells a child 'the way it works' is that you only get to choose whether you want to brush your teeth before or after the last cartoon...

                It's only 'the way it works' in the context of the parent being in charge and deciding what they want to do unilaterally. It's not actually how the world works.

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                The system needs to change for it to not be a bifurcation, for all practical purposes. The system of voting needs to be changed from First Past the Post to be something like Ranked Robin voting, STAR voting, or Score voting. All of those are my preferred alternatives, but Ranked Choice is still solid over First Past the Post as well.

                A different voting system enables third parties to hold real power and to grow in influence.

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                  Oh I hate to break it to you, many people of color are very conservative, and some are also maga supporters.

                  The real advice is don't date people from known conservative places, go to liberal cities where you can at least know they are more-likely-than-not, to be at least left-of-center, and possibly a leftist.

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                  play the odds

                  I know it might have gotten lost in the huge post with multiple paragraph breaks

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                  • M [email protected]

                    Too late seems pretty apt in this case!

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                      The system needs to change for it to not be a bifurcation, for all practical purposes. The system of voting needs to be changed from First Past the Post to be something like Ranked Robin voting, STAR voting, or Score voting. All of those are my preferred alternatives, but Ranked Choice is still solid over First Past the Post as well.

                      A different voting system enables third parties to hold real power and to grow in influence.

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                      You can see that isn't a solution by the way it works in the UK

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                      • antioutsideaktion@lemmy.mlA [email protected]

                        You can see that isn't a solution by the way it works in the UK

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                        It’s not the solution, but one of many I would say and an important one at that.

                        Also, the UK uses First Past the Post for the House of Commons, mayoral elections in England, Police and Crime Commissioner elections and local councils.

                        They use Alternative Voting systems for some of their elections for like the chair of committees in the House of Commons and the Lord Speaker.

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                        • K [email protected]

                          Genocide the natives and take their land? It does sound very American to be fair.

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                          ... can't argue with that

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                          • antioutsideaktion@lemmy.mlA [email protected]

                            white isn't a race it's the social construct that means the absence of race

                            Irish stopped being a race when they were accepted into whiteness by becoming police in large number

                            That's why it's literally impossible to be racist against white people

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                            Mental gymnastics won't save your soul.

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                            • M [email protected]

                              That's a much different take than, "don't tell people your leanings and don't accept others that won't tell you theirs".

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                              I mean, I don't think it is.

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                              • P [email protected]

                                in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration

                                This is really a false dichotomy. There are so many other ways to fight against the atrocities. Given how enthusiastically the democrats are cooperating with the fascist agenda, if you didn't vote but you uploaded some info to one of those ice watch apps, or went and protested in LA, or shuffled papers to slow down their progress in your federal job, you probably already did more tangible good than someone who did the other way around.

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                                Surely you don't mean to imply that you can only do one or the other. That would be a false dichotomy, which, surely, you would understand.

                                Non-voters just love piling on more shit to fight against, i guess.

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                                  I mean, I don't think it is.

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                                  One is actively requesting avoidance and the other merely suggesting ulterior paths. It's the difference between someone saying, "punch that fuck in the face!" and, "words will do you no good with this one".

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                                    Surely you don't mean to imply that you can only do one or the other. That would be a false dichotomy, which, surely, you would understand.

                                    Non-voters just love piling on more shit to fight against, i guess.

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                                    Not only did I not mean to imply that, I didn't imply that. If you read that into my comment it's 100% you.

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                                      Mental gymnastics won't save your soul.

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                                      reddit.nazi

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                                      • P [email protected]

                                        Not only did I not mean to imply that, I didn't imply that. If you read that into my comment it's 100% you.

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                                        Well that's good. It would be silly to claim to fight against fascism and then not vote, amirite or amirite lol

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                                        • C [email protected]

                                          Where I have lived for my adult life in 3 significantly different parts of the country, it is true that my vote would have not at all affected the outcome on nearly all election positions I could vote for.

                                          This was true multiple elections in a row. Whether my vote merely reaffirmed what was clearly going to happen regardless, or if mine was a waste since it was clearly not going to matter. In the vast majority of elections I did or could have voted in, I have looked after the fact and seen how my contribution, or lack of, Did. Not. Fucking. Matter.

                                          Also most options I am presented with most of the time are uninspiring or downright evil.

                                          As for effecting change. That's a waste of time. I learned that early on. Everyone has their viewpoints and beliefs and the vast majority will not be swayed. They either will not change, or were already on your side.

                                          Its not my responsibility to "solve" America's 250 years of lies.

                                          So have fun on your high horse as you highlight one cherry-picked recent primary result for one city in a country filled with 90,000 governments and countless elected positions.

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                                          In the vast majority of elections I did or could have voted in, I have looked after the fact and seen how my contribution, or lack of, Did. Not. Fucking. Matter.

                                          Elections are almost never decided by a single vote, do you think your vote only matters if it's the deciding vote? I've watched so many election votes counts and so often I see evil win because the vote total for the lesser evil just didn't bother to vote that eletcion. I've also seen areas flip because enough people think their vote doesn't matter because it's a "safe seat" until it isn't. Why be one of those people, just vote every time. There will be an election this November that almost no one will vote in. I've seen vote totals in the 100s and elections decided by less than 10 votes. It would be so easy to sway the results if just a handful more people voted.

                                          Also most options I am presented with most of the time are uninspiring or downright evil.

                                          Vote for the lesser evil otherwise you are more likely to get the greater evil.

                                          Its not my responsibility to "solve" America's 250 years of lies.

                                          I'm not asking or expecting you to, I just want you to vote. Voting doesn't solve things it's just a tug of war and I want more people constantly tugging for the lesser evil.

                                          So have fun on your high horse as you highlight one cherry-picked recent primary result for one city in a country filled with 90,000 governments and countless elected positions.

                                          It's to show you that if you turn out, you can affect elections. You aren't the only person with your belief that voting doesn't matter, there are tons of you. If you all get out and vote you'll make a difference, but it starts with you.

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