Voting
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According to every conversation I've ever had with a tankie that leaves you nobody to vote for, because EVERYONE is a capitalist.
CCP? Capitalist. Commie Russia? Capitalist. North Korea? Also capitalist.
Tankies on .ml seem to love the CCP as well as imperialist Russia and the USSR. Desalines (lemmy admin and .ml mod) actively bans people who disagree.
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Yeah your vote has a one in a million power best case scenario. But in non swing states it willl be a few orders of magnitude less powerful.
The problem is, there often more than a million people in that state all thinking the same thing, that their vote doesn't matter. Well, they've self fulfilled by taking themselves out of the equation.
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A friend of mine went on a date Sunday night. For some reason they started talking politics. This bitch ass cry baby mommas boy walks OUT on the date, WITHOUT paying for his drinks/food. Luckily my friend only had to pay for her stuff. I'll give you one guess what his political leanings were. These maga morons got no balls
Your friend dodged a bullet.
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Just for the sake of discussion, I think there's a real argument to be made that reversing 25% is actually worse than doing nothing, because it makes people complacent. "Controlled opposition", if you will.
I'm not saying that's necessarily always the case, there are obviously tangible benefits to reducing some of the damage. But if it comes with allowing even more damage to be done later, because the changes are superficial and don't address the ways in which the right extremists can manipulate the political system, then people might be fooled into thinking the system still works and the long run consequences would be even more severe than if they realised it doesn't.
And if you fully realise that the political system doesn't work then I don't think it entirely makes sense to get on someone's case about voting or not. Not that they shouldn't, but there are much bigger issues.
Ah yeah that's why not voting is gonna help. Doing less instead of more, good idea pal
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A friend of mine went on a date Sunday night. For some reason they started talking politics. This bitch ass cry baby mommas boy walks OUT on the date, WITHOUT paying for his drinks/food. Luckily my friend only had to pay for her stuff. I'll give you one guess what his political leanings were. These maga morons got no balls
For your own safety you should really ask about their political ideology before meeting them. Make sure to not let them fool you either, never tell them yours first.
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History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn't happening and maybe claim they don't have enough control and we'll hear the term bipartisan.
That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore. When they DO have some ability to improve things, they barely do. Biden proved to be exactly the slow-moving watered-down change I expected.
Fuck em all. And fuck you when you tell me how wrong I am. I really don't give a fuck.
Put up serious change on the ticket or I'll just roll my eyes again.
I'd rather live under fascism than to vote democrat
That's you.
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Even in the best case scenario of a well-intentioned-but-ignorant person that didn't think critically about what a Trump vote meant, I still wouldn't want to be married to a fool.
You've gotta use your brain if you want to ride this train.
You can't use that excuse for the last election though.
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They look young. Probably not voting for anybody.
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Ah yeah that's why not voting is gonna help. Doing less instead of more, good idea pal
So what I'm reading is, there's two approaches, neither of which have solved fuck all, therefore everyone is wrong.
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The top part is true, but reversing 25% is something and it's not a constant flow of more carnage. If you don't give a fuck, then you are basically pro carnage since you are doing nothing to stop it, but fuck me right?
Also you can vote for who Dems up on the ticket in the primary. New York voters showed the rest of the country that it's possible.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Where I have lived for my adult life in 3 significantly different parts of the country, it is true that my vote would have not at all affected the outcome on nearly all election positions I could vote for.
This was true multiple elections in a row. Whether my vote merely reaffirmed what was clearly going to happen regardless, or if mine was a waste since it was clearly not going to matter. In the vast majority of elections I did or could have voted in, I have looked after the fact and seen how my contribution, or lack of, Did. Not. Fucking. Matter.
Also most options I am presented with most of the time are uninspiring or downright evil.
As for effecting change. That's a waste of time. I learned that early on. Everyone has their viewpoints and beliefs and the vast majority will not be swayed. They either will not change, or were already on your side.
Its not my responsibility to "solve" America's 250 years of lies.
So have fun on your high horse as you highlight one cherry-picked recent primary result for one city in a country filled with 90,000 governments and countless elected positions.
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They just want internet points and the brief satisfaction of feeling smug by being a piece of shit to someone online.
I'm getting lots of downvotes. The Principal Skinner meme comes to mind.
Is the Democratic Party at fault?
No, the millions of people who didn't want to vote for the Democratic Party are to blame.
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The problem is, there often more than a million people in that state all thinking the same thing, that their vote doesn't matter. Well, they've self fulfilled by taking themselves out of the equation.
That's an unproveable negative, and a strawman. An easy enough target for a crappy argument.
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History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn't happening and maybe claim they don't have enough control and we'll hear the term bipartisan.
That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore. When they DO have some ability to improve things, they barely do. Biden proved to be exactly the slow-moving watered-down change I expected.
Fuck em all. And fuck you when you tell me how wrong I am. I really don't give a fuck.
Put up serious change on the ticket or I'll just roll my eyes again.
Theres a fire in my kitchen, but the fire extinguisher is only going to stop like 25% of the damage, so I'm committed to not stopping the fire.
To be clear, I also don't support the fire. But the fire extinguisher is:
- filled with chemicals
- makes a huge mess
- costs money to recharge
- may cause other damage from overspray
So the best thing for me and my kitchen is to do nothing until they make a "fix my kitchen" spray.
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Ah yeah that's why not voting is gonna help. Doing less instead of more, good idea pal
That's not what I said, why bother replying if you didn't read my comment?
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Our friends husband teld her he voted Trump.
It was one big nail in the coffin of that marriage.
How would I not know the political views of my husband?
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On what planet do tankies go around calling those countries capitalist? You're dreaming mate.
Can't find those comments now. But I'd happily invite you to go into any tankie instance and talk about Russia or the CCP being communist, especially where people are ranting about the evils of capitalism, and see what happens.
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You can't use that excuse for the last election though.
Nope. This time, everyone knew what voting for Trump meant, so they're either irredeemably evil or irredeemably stupid (or both).
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For your own safety you should really ask about their political ideology before meeting them. Make sure to not let them fool you either, never tell them yours first.
Man you'd think. Some ppl just use politics to hide shitty behavior. Polis don't mean shit. See how friendly and helpful they are to strangers. Ppl thank can't offer anything.
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I think a lot of us in the US have had this experience some time in the last 10 years. A work colleague or relative you don't know that well. People tend to avoid talking about politics directly, and often the euphemism (as seen here)bis ambiguous enough that it's a coin toss for what it actually means.
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I don't think it gives any indication that there is only two optionsoh I see the red and blue arrows now, still you could say this anywhere and be suspicious
Unless some politician had a recent shitstorm and no other politician was in hot water currently, I would probably ask who it was they wouldnât vote for because I would have no clue. The same would apply if instead of a single person, it was about a single party, unless an especially bad one had popped up that election, I simply wouldnât know which party they were talking about. I donât even think Iâd be suspicious, Iâd be too busy being confused or curious.
For context, we currently have more than a dozen parties represented in government and half a dozen that didnât get enough votes this time around, but are big enough to be recognizable and sometimes getting representatives in government.
