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  • C [email protected]

    Are you implying I should give a shit about something here? Cause I really don't. Try harder with an actual argument rather than an idiot popularity vote.

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    #156

    no i was just being unfunny and pointing out how at the moment i took the screenshot, the upvote-downvote counters were literally 1984

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    • C [email protected]

      My vote in the last election LITERALLY WOULD NOT HAVE CHANGED A GOD DAMNED THING.

      Get the fuck over yourself and just let your high horse fuck you in the ass. Take your idealism elsewhere. Fucking exhausting.

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      #157

      Defeatist prick

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        #158

        Was it me? I bet it was me. That's okay, though. I probably wouldn't vote for me either.

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        • C [email protected]

          Mate, using your logic "black" isn't a race. This is also technically true, but not really how the term "race" is used. Taking your logic and applying it to this term that is widely accepted caloquially as a race, you end up being able to say that it's "impossible to be racist against black people" which would be seen as a racist remark.

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          nah that's not my logic you're just a fucking moron

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          • K [email protected]

            white isn’t a race it’s the social construct that means the absence of race

            All "races" are social constructs, there are no biological races for our species and the way we define social races isn't even uniform across different cultures.

            means the absence of race

            And that is actually a profoundly racist statement that roots many portions of white supremacist ideology.

            why it’s literally impossible to be racist against white people

            While it's quite easy to argue that white people are in no danger of becoming ethnically prosecuted in most of western society, your statement that it's impossible to be racist against white people is got a built in logic contradiction and is therefore invalid by nature. Even without the contradiction, all it takes to take down a blanket statement like that is finding a counter-example, and that's so trivial I could find historical examples in less than five minutes.

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            #160

            And that is actually a profoundly racist statement

            okay crakkker

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            • antioutsideaktion@lemmy.mlA [email protected]

              nah that's not my logic you're just a fucking moron

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              Explain how it isn't? Typically once someone resorts to name calling in a discussion it's a good sign they know they're in the wrong.

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                Explain how it isn't? Typically once someone resorts to name calling in a discussion it's a good sign they know they're in the wrong.

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                #162

                fuck you

                you explain how the shit you decided to write is my logic

                fucking asshole pompous piece of shit hypocrite

                self oblivious dumb motherfucker

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                • P [email protected]

                  I'm not the one confused, I understood Sahara just fine. I'm more confused why we're 10 comments deep into, essentially, Sahara's choice to use the word "never."

                  I'm asking this seriously: how do you handle sarcasm? Or hyperbole?

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                  #163

                  Depends on how tactfully they're used. I'm amazed a basic lesson on phrasing and tact is so far out of your league. This entire conversation is pathetic. For you.

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                    Depends on how tactfully they're used. I'm amazed a basic lesson on phrasing and tact is so far out of your league. This entire conversation is pathetic. For you.

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                    Okay, so the word "never" is being used here in its hyperbolic form to, tactfully, strengthen the rhetoric. It impassions the speech to deliver a point with more verve than another choice would.

                    The message is easy to receive. What is it you gain by being this needlessly contrarian?

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                    • antioutsideaktion@lemmy.mlA [email protected]

                      fuck you

                      you explain how the shit you decided to write is my logic

                      fucking asshole pompous piece of shit hypocrite

                      self oblivious dumb motherfucker

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                      #165

                      Fine, I'll indulge you.

                      white isn't a race it's the social construct

                      This is both true and false. By all accepted definitions of race that I could find, white counts as a race. However, race as a concept is a social construct. Some folks back in the day decided to categorize people by things they have in common. (e.g. physical attributes, geographic location, genetics) However, this doesn't have any basis in science due to there being more genetic variation within the defined races than between them. Most biologists and anthropologists don't accept race as a scientifically valid biological classification.

                      that means the absence of race

                      This is false by all definitions of race. Race is just a collection of people sharing similar attributes, so the "white" race absolutely counts, considering all "white" people share a similar characteristic: skin color.

                      Irish stopped being a race when they were accepted into whiteness by becoming police in large number

                      This one threw me for a loop, as I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Irish is 100% still a race, as they are a group of people that can be defined by geographic location. There are groups that don't think they belong in the greater "white" race due to some historical beefs, but at the end of the day, most definitions of the "white" race include Irish folks, as they have white skin.

                      That's why it's literally impossible to be racist against white people

                      This part doesn't make sense. By the most common definitions of racist, it's possible to be racist against any given race. Some definitions of racist that I read in school did change that by adding a clause for racism being prejudice towards a marginalized group. In that case, it wouldn't be possible to be racist towards the greater "white" race, as they have never historically been marginalised. However, this definition of racist hasn't been widely accepted, as it almost exists to prevent being able to say racism towards the "white" race exists.

                      If you think that it's impossible to be racist towards a race that is all-encompassing like the "white" race, then, unless you're using a different definition of racist, then if would be equally impossible to be racist towards the all-encompassing "black" race.

                      No need to lash out just because people are calling you out for your misunderstanding of your own words. Given how your sentences are written, English might not be your first language, so there's a good chance that this misunderstanding comes from a translation or language barrier. Hopefully I have cleared things up!

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                      • C [email protected]

                        Fine, I'll indulge you.

                        white isn't a race it's the social construct

                        This is both true and false. By all accepted definitions of race that I could find, white counts as a race. However, race as a concept is a social construct. Some folks back in the day decided to categorize people by things they have in common. (e.g. physical attributes, geographic location, genetics) However, this doesn't have any basis in science due to there being more genetic variation within the defined races than between them. Most biologists and anthropologists don't accept race as a scientifically valid biological classification.

                        that means the absence of race

                        This is false by all definitions of race. Race is just a collection of people sharing similar attributes, so the "white" race absolutely counts, considering all "white" people share a similar characteristic: skin color.

                        Irish stopped being a race when they were accepted into whiteness by becoming police in large number

                        This one threw me for a loop, as I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Irish is 100% still a race, as they are a group of people that can be defined by geographic location. There are groups that don't think they belong in the greater "white" race due to some historical beefs, but at the end of the day, most definitions of the "white" race include Irish folks, as they have white skin.

                        That's why it's literally impossible to be racist against white people

                        This part doesn't make sense. By the most common definitions of racist, it's possible to be racist against any given race. Some definitions of racist that I read in school did change that by adding a clause for racism being prejudice towards a marginalized group. In that case, it wouldn't be possible to be racist towards the greater "white" race, as they have never historically been marginalised. However, this definition of racist hasn't been widely accepted, as it almost exists to prevent being able to say racism towards the "white" race exists.

                        If you think that it's impossible to be racist towards a race that is all-encompassing like the "white" race, then, unless you're using a different definition of racist, then if would be equally impossible to be racist towards the all-encompassing "black" race.

                        No need to lash out just because people are calling you out for your misunderstanding of your own words. Given how your sentences are written, English might not be your first language, so there's a good chance that this misunderstanding comes from a translation or language barrier. Hopefully I have cleared things up!

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                        #166

                        This is both true and false. By all accepted definitions of race that I could find, white counts as a race.

                        "NU UH!!!"

                        Wow what an academic

                        Never seen someone just bullshit before while using quotation formatting. You're putting on a clinic of being a slimy dishonest asshole

                        Race is just a collection of people sharing similar attributes

                        Oh! Okay! So once you deliberately strip race of all cultural and material context white can be declared a race 'because they look the same'

                        Well if you're willing to just compartmentalize literally everything until your premise is affirmed then you can tell yourself anything, can't you?

                        You've chosen a definition of race that's completely useless for everything except one task: to be able to claim victimhood for the privileged class

                        Irish stopped being a race when they were accepted into whiteness by becoming police in large number This one threw me for a loop, as I’m not really sure what you mean by this.

                        HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO LECTURE SOMEONE WHEN YOU OPENLY ADMIT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON

                        REALLY FUCKING STUPID

                        Bet you're white. "My feelings are more important than your facts and I'm elevated from you enough to speak without even knowing them" is extremely white coded

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                          This is both true and false. By all accepted definitions of race that I could find, white counts as a race.

                          "NU UH!!!"

                          Wow what an academic

                          Never seen someone just bullshit before while using quotation formatting. You're putting on a clinic of being a slimy dishonest asshole

                          Race is just a collection of people sharing similar attributes

                          Oh! Okay! So once you deliberately strip race of all cultural and material context white can be declared a race 'because they look the same'

                          Well if you're willing to just compartmentalize literally everything until your premise is affirmed then you can tell yourself anything, can't you?

                          You've chosen a definition of race that's completely useless for everything except one task: to be able to claim victimhood for the privileged class

                          Irish stopped being a race when they were accepted into whiteness by becoming police in large number This one threw me for a loop, as I’m not really sure what you mean by this.

                          HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO LECTURE SOMEONE WHEN YOU OPENLY ADMIT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON

                          REALLY FUCKING STUPID

                          Bet you're white. "My feelings are more important than your facts and I'm elevated from you enough to speak without even knowing them" is extremely white coded

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                          "NU UH!!!"
                          Never seen someone just bullshit before while using quotation formatting. You're putting on a clinic of being a slimy dishonest asshole

                          Please, point out where I'm making stuff up. With zero efforr responses like these, I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to respond to you. If you think I'm lying about the definition of race, here are all the human-relevant definitions of race in several dictionaries, almost all would suggest how I'm using race is the most common:

                          Race as defined by The American Heritage Dictionary

                          1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
                            2.A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.
                          2. A genealogical line; a lineage.
                          3. Humans considered as a group.
                          4. A usually geographically isolated population of organisms that differs from other populations of the same species in certain heritable traits.

                          Race as defined by Marriam Webster dictionary

                          1. any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry
                          2. a group of people sharing a common cultural, geographical, linguistic, or religious origin or background
                          3. the descendants of a common ancestor : a group sharing a common lineage

                          Oh! Okay! So once you deliberately strip race of all cultural and material context white can be declared a race 'because they look the same'

                          I didn't strip my race definition of anything. I'm using the definitions above. Me using the "look the same" example was to help solidify that race is a social construct, not that white was a race.

                          Well if you're willing to just compartmentalize literally everything until your premise is affirmed then you can tell yourself anything, can't you?

                          I'm not compartmentalizing anything. I'm using the dictionary definition of race. If you mean something else when you say race, then please, tell me your definition.

                          You've chosen a definition of race that's completely useless for everything except one task: to be able to claim victimhood for the privileged class

                          I've used a definition of race that fits 4 of the 7 dictionary definitions that I've seen. Yes, I guess I'm not using the ones regarding ancestry and genealogy, but those just segment what a race is further. Under those definitions, "black" isn't a race.

                          HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO LECTURE SOMEONE WHEN YOU OPENLY ADMIT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON

                          I understand the historical event you are referencing, and I understand that, in some places in the world, Irish immigrants weren't part of the "true white" race until they became racist towards folks without white skin and became police. What I don't understand is what that has to do with anything we're talking about. That doesn't make "white" any less of a race, that just means that white people in the past were extra racist, being racist against people from a different geological location, not just being racist by the color of their skin.

                          Bet you're white. "My feelings are more important than your facts and I'm elevated from you enough to speak without even knowing them" is extremely white coded

                          Please, point out where I am using feelings and you are using facts. Please, point out anything I've said that is not truthful. That's how arguements are done, and that's what I've been doing to everything you've said from the beginning. From my end, you have yet to have an argument that is more than "YOU'RE STUPID" without addressing a single thing I'm saying.

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                            "NU UH!!!"
                            Never seen someone just bullshit before while using quotation formatting. You're putting on a clinic of being a slimy dishonest asshole

                            Please, point out where I'm making stuff up. With zero efforr responses like these, I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to respond to you. If you think I'm lying about the definition of race, here are all the human-relevant definitions of race in several dictionaries, almost all would suggest how I'm using race is the most common:

                            Race as defined by The American Heritage Dictionary

                            1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
                              2.A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.
                            2. A genealogical line; a lineage.
                            3. Humans considered as a group.
                            4. A usually geographically isolated population of organisms that differs from other populations of the same species in certain heritable traits.

                            Race as defined by Marriam Webster dictionary

                            1. any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry
                            2. a group of people sharing a common cultural, geographical, linguistic, or religious origin or background
                            3. the descendants of a common ancestor : a group sharing a common lineage

                            Oh! Okay! So once you deliberately strip race of all cultural and material context white can be declared a race 'because they look the same'

                            I didn't strip my race definition of anything. I'm using the definitions above. Me using the "look the same" example was to help solidify that race is a social construct, not that white was a race.

                            Well if you're willing to just compartmentalize literally everything until your premise is affirmed then you can tell yourself anything, can't you?

                            I'm not compartmentalizing anything. I'm using the dictionary definition of race. If you mean something else when you say race, then please, tell me your definition.

                            You've chosen a definition of race that's completely useless for everything except one task: to be able to claim victimhood for the privileged class

                            I've used a definition of race that fits 4 of the 7 dictionary definitions that I've seen. Yes, I guess I'm not using the ones regarding ancestry and genealogy, but those just segment what a race is further. Under those definitions, "black" isn't a race.

                            HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO LECTURE SOMEONE WHEN YOU OPENLY ADMIT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON

                            I understand the historical event you are referencing, and I understand that, in some places in the world, Irish immigrants weren't part of the "true white" race until they became racist towards folks without white skin and became police. What I don't understand is what that has to do with anything we're talking about. That doesn't make "white" any less of a race, that just means that white people in the past were extra racist, being racist against people from a different geological location, not just being racist by the color of their skin.

                            Bet you're white. "My feelings are more important than your facts and I'm elevated from you enough to speak without even knowing them" is extremely white coded

                            Please, point out where I am using feelings and you are using facts. Please, point out anything I've said that is not truthful. That's how arguements are done, and that's what I've been doing to everything you've said from the beginning. From my end, you have yet to have an argument that is more than "YOU'RE STUPID" without addressing a single thing I'm saying.

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                            Why the fuck would anything you're saying be meaningful or productive in an argument about something I said?

                            You know what? I give up.

                            I understand the historical event you are referencing, and I understand that, in some places in the world, Irish immigrants weren’t part of the “true white” race until they became racist towards folks without white skin and became police. What I don’t understand is what that has to do with anything we’re talking about. That doesn’t make “white” any less of a race, that just means that white people in the past were extra racist, being racist against people from a different geological location, not just being racist by the color of their skin.

                            Just being obstinate.

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                              Why the fuck would anything you're saying be meaningful or productive in an argument about something I said?

                              You know what? I give up.

                              I understand the historical event you are referencing, and I understand that, in some places in the world, Irish immigrants weren’t part of the “true white” race until they became racist towards folks without white skin and became police. What I don’t understand is what that has to do with anything we’re talking about. That doesn’t make “white” any less of a race, that just means that white people in the past were extra racist, being racist against people from a different geological location, not just being racist by the color of their skin.

                              Just being obstinate.

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                              Yeah, that's what I thought. Unless you've got something meaningful to add, I'm calling it here. You argue with 100% emotion, never adding anything meaningful to a conversation. Glad you can admit that you're just being obstinate

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                              • C [email protected]

                                Yeah, that's what I thought. Unless you've got something meaningful to add, I'm calling it here. You argue with 100% emotion, never adding anything meaningful to a conversation. Glad you can admit that you're just being obstinate

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                                Fuck off you fucking 'no u' child

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