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  • P [email protected]

    Not saying this is the correct route, but I do see the cultural decay, foreign influence, and complete lack of civic duty causing massive political failures in the US in real-time as we grow lazier, less interested, and more content. Any idea how we account for that in a reasonable fashion?

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    You don't. People have always said that about basically every country. What is "cultural decay"? Define "civic duty". Why is it a problem that people are content? Are we lazier? Are people on average more content now?

    The key lesson is that you can't force people to care about what you do. Inspire people and they'll follow you, don't and they'll do something else. FDR increased a sense of civic duty by paying people to do civic works.

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      I did my best. Do I get to vote?

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      Here's a more straightforward test. Please share the RGB value from the site below that most closely matches your skin tone and I'll let you know if you pass or fail.

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        If there were a practical way to do it, a way to ensure that only those who were well informed on a topic could have a say in it wouldn't be an issue. The only barrier to voting would be your desire to inform yourself.

        Unfortunately there isn't, because just about every word in the above sentences can be twisted by someone with illintent.
        The concept isn't fundamentally flawed, it's just blocked by insurmountable obstacles.

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        Thank you for getting what I was trying to say. Spot on, I don't think the idea is wrong. It would be nice if there was a test to say "hey are you able to vote on these topics, have you researched, are you voting with your brain or with emotions?" - which is why I say the idea is fine. There isn't though. There isn't a single way to do that fairly or equitably.

        Thank god the commenters immediately jumped down my throat to tell me what I already knew.

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          I did my best. Do I get to vote?

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          Number 11 says, "cross out the number," as in, only one number. Pretty sure you have to cross out "1" so that it's just a bunch of zeros.

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          • admetus@sopuli.xyzA [email protected]

            This is probably in part a meritocracy, though how the government defines 'merit' is probably quite subjective.

            Humans are all too human. A purely statistical vote such as proportional representation is most likely the most scientific method regardless of what government is elected. If a civilisation must fall through its own vices and fallacy (oh hey, we've been there before!), then let's allow the collective consciousness of our fellow human beings work it out.

            Ever...so...fucking...slowly.

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            The most scientific method would be one that doesn't rely on a singular entity to represent the majority. It is impossible to adequately represent the interests of all within a community through one singular political entity who has full authority to dictate law, especially in a stratified society of differing classes with diametrically oppositional interests. Due to the implicit biases of the individual holding power of authority, they will always choose what is in their best interests of their respective class, which intrinsically will be to the detriment of the oppositional class.

            Instead, power of authority must be distributed horizontally, all parties of interest retain autonomy, representing themselves through a multi-tiered, federated structure where any political agreements come about through consensus of those involved.

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              I read it as "1." Which underlines the point, I think

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              Oh, yes. Reading it again you're correct. I was looking for the number of letter on the sentence. When it clearly says of. Guess I don't deserve to vote.

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                I mean purely pedantic, I have no idea the original test writers... but based on how I read the words

                The number (one singular number needs to be crossed out)

                Below one million, IE number < 1,000,000

                So my conclusion

                10000000000 < 1,000,000

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                There is more than one right answer, which means there's always a wrong answer to disqualify the target of prejudice from voting.

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                • fishos@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                  Um fuck you? Being autistic doesn't mean we can't circle a letter or understand a sentence. Hell, this shit is incredibly literal minded and is easy as hell for us. Maybe you're the one with trouble.....

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                  The point is they are not literal in any sense. Most of these questions can be interpreted at least 2 or more ways. I can't even wrap my head around what question 1 even wants. It's like word salad if you really read it carefully and literally.

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                    There is a general rejection of such a test. Obviously voting in its current form doesn't work. If everybody keeps being allowed to vote, what can be done to improve the quality of the outcome?

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                    An education system that doesn't aim to turn the population into diligent cattle.

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                      Uhh, no the idea is most certainly not "fine"

                      It's only fine if you don't think about it at all beyond the surface level presentation.

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                      The concept that only the educated should vote is essentially the entire advantage of living in a republic. If the test was actually fairly made it would be fine, the real problem is it would be used to limit specific demographics from voting while not actually ensuring only the educated can vote

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                      • savvywolf@pawb.socialS [email protected]

                        Ehh... I think it's fundamentally problematic. Why should only a subset of the adult population be allowed to vote on laws that affect everyone?

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                        You mean like how the house and senate are the ones who actually vote on the laws instead of direct democracy?

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                          There is a general rejection of such a test. Obviously voting in its current form doesn't work. If everybody keeps being allowed to vote, what can be done to improve the quality of the outcome?

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                          Make it more accessible and provide better candidates.

                          Accessible things like:

                          • nearly anything other than first past the post
                          • Mandated Paid time off to vote.
                          • Vote by mail(universal absentee ballot).
                          • Strict adherence to vote outcomes (Congress cannot ignore at state nor national level).
                          • full-stop limits on campaign spending
                          • reform campaign donation regulation
                          • limit campaign advertising to small window near election (e.g. 3 months prior)

                          Better candidates like:

                          • Anyone left of "defacing property is equivalent to or worse than assault on a person"
                          • One that has a platform people are excited to vote for

                          I promise you there's plenty of highly educated idiots, such a test would only limit the voting base to elite idiots.

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                            Voting should be mandatory, punished by like a $200 fine for non voters.

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                              Keep trying, Jay. One day you'll make a funny comic.

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                                Okay buddy cryptofash rhetoric

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                                You sure do love calling people fascist, you've done it multiple times today.

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                                  The concept that only the educated should vote is essentially the entire advantage of living in a republic. If the test was actually fairly made it would be fine, the real problem is it would be used to limit specific demographics from voting while not actually ensuring only the educated can vote

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                                  Considering I'm against the concept of living in hierarchical government structures, such as republics, that's not exactly a benefit from my perspective. It just exposes the flaws of living under hierarchy.

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                                  • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                                    This is a bad idea. You would just be creating another layer of gerrymandering.

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                                    I mean.... I don't see the comic portraying the idea as good. More just using it as a vehicle to call most people dumb.

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                                      I think it's supposed to say "Cross out the digit necessary", so one digit, in which case cross out the 1 because there's enough 0's that crossing out one 0 isn't enough.

                                      It's 10 that has me confused. Is it asking for the last letter of the first word that starts with 'L' in that sentence? It doesn't actually specify.

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                                      That's a perfect example of its ambiguousness; I read that as "the number below [this question]" and assumed I had to cross out enough zeros to make it 1,000,000.

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                                        I think it's supposed to say "Cross out the digit necessary", so one digit, in which case cross out the 1 because there's enough 0's that crossing out one 0 isn't enough.

                                        It's 10 that has me confused. Is it asking for the last letter of the first word that starts with 'L' in that sentence? It doesn't actually specify.

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                                        Yeah, but the actual answer is how white are you?

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                                        • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techS [email protected]

                                          I won't call out of or the drawer for bad idea. The idea is fine. There's just zero ways to ever implement it. It's nice to dream though

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                                          You realize that literacy tests were used to exclude minorities from voting, right? The idea is not fine because it's inherently oppressive.

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