Voting
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So, I'm not assuming that you or the person I replied to are in the US specifically.
But in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration, when you in fact had the opportunity to do something - which is to say that you are guilty of negligence.
If you encouraged others to not vote then you are complicit in the actions of the Trump administration, because you helped put them in power.
There is no "blame-shifting game" being played here, as there is no need to shift anything. The blame is direct, valid, and undeniable.
in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration
This is really a false dichotomy. There are so many other ways to fight against the atrocities. Given how enthusiastically the democrats are cooperating with the fascist agenda, if you didn't vote but you uploaded some info to one of those ice watch apps, or went and protested in LA, or shuffled papers to slow down their progress in your federal job, you probably already did more tangible good than someone who did the other way around.
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Climate change please hurry up.
Don't want to get your own hands dirty actually making a change?
Too busy being a wage slave in an endless churn cycle.
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Anyone who voted for trump deserves to get divorced. The lack of morals, the lack of basic human empathy is present in all trump voters.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Even in the best case scenario of a well-intentioned-but-ignorant person that didn't think critically about what a Trump vote meant, I still wouldn't want to be married to a fool.
You've gotta use your brain if you want to ride this train.
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Yes. And even in a swing state, it may take a million or more votes to swing it.
The few states with apportioned electors are the outlier.
Yeah your vote has a one in a million power best case scenario. But in non swing states it willl be a few orders of magnitude less powerful.
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So, I'm not assuming that you or the person I replied to are in the US specifically.
But in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration, when you in fact had the opportunity to do something - which is to say that you are guilty of negligence.
If you encouraged others to not vote then you are complicit in the actions of the Trump administration, because you helped put them in power.
There is no "blame-shifting game" being played here, as there is no need to shift anything. The blame is direct, valid, and undeniable.
I’d really love to know which candidates these assholes primaried for or what revolutions they’ve started. I can get behind NOT WANTING to vote bc it feels bad most of the time but pretending their inaction is some moral victory is feeble minded.
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History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn't happening and maybe claim they don't have enough control and we'll hear the term bipartisan.
That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore. When they DO have some ability to improve things, they barely do. Biden proved to be exactly the slow-moving watered-down change I expected.
Fuck em all. And fuck you when you tell me how wrong I am. I really don't give a fuck.
Put up serious change on the ticket or I'll just roll my eyes again.
Honestly, you're not giving enough credit to everything they do to make things worse. Between
-Clinton throwing money and resources at shitty ISPs and intellectual property ghouls in the 90s,
-Obama putting legal niceties on Bush's assassination program and making sure nobody got held accountable for those murders,
-Obama keeping every NSA spying program intact,
-Obama throwing taxpayer money at private health insurance companies,
-Biden killing stimulus checks (because obviously nobody supports UBI),
-Biden throwing taxpayer money at fossil fuel companies,
-Biden throwing money at ICE,
-Biden throwing money at cops of all sorts,
-etc.,they have done a ton to entrench bad things and undermine good things too.
You should probably still vote for them because there's nothing on this list Republicans wouldn't try to turbocharge, but if we don't get rid of the awful Dems we have now and replace them with people who are actually willing to fight for us it's actually just a choice between carnage quickly or carnage slowly
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A friend of mine went on a date Sunday night. For some reason they started talking politics. This bitch ass cry baby mommas boy walks OUT on the date, WITHOUT paying for his drinks/food. Luckily my friend only had to pay for her stuff. I'll give you one guess what his political leanings were. These maga morons got no balls
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I'm glad I live in a place where this would give you almost no info.
Because there's more than two options.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I don't think it gives any indication that there is only two optionsoh I see the red and blue arrows now, still you could say this anywhere and be suspicious
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According to every conversation I've ever had with a tankie that leaves you nobody to vote for, because EVERYONE is a capitalist.
CCP? Capitalist. Commie Russia? Capitalist. North Korea? Also capitalist.
Tankies on .ml seem to love the CCP as well as imperialist Russia and the USSR. Desalines (lemmy admin and .ml mod) actively bans people who disagree.
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Yeah your vote has a one in a million power best case scenario. But in non swing states it willl be a few orders of magnitude less powerful.
The problem is, there often more than a million people in that state all thinking the same thing, that their vote doesn't matter. Well, they've self fulfilled by taking themselves out of the equation.
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A friend of mine went on a date Sunday night. For some reason they started talking politics. This bitch ass cry baby mommas boy walks OUT on the date, WITHOUT paying for his drinks/food. Luckily my friend only had to pay for her stuff. I'll give you one guess what his political leanings were. These maga morons got no balls
Your friend dodged a bullet.
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Just for the sake of discussion, I think there's a real argument to be made that reversing 25% is actually worse than doing nothing, because it makes people complacent. "Controlled opposition", if you will.
I'm not saying that's necessarily always the case, there are obviously tangible benefits to reducing some of the damage. But if it comes with allowing even more damage to be done later, because the changes are superficial and don't address the ways in which the right extremists can manipulate the political system, then people might be fooled into thinking the system still works and the long run consequences would be even more severe than if they realised it doesn't.
And if you fully realise that the political system doesn't work then I don't think it entirely makes sense to get on someone's case about voting or not. Not that they shouldn't, but there are much bigger issues.
Ah yeah that's why not voting is gonna help. Doing less instead of more, good idea pal
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A friend of mine went on a date Sunday night. For some reason they started talking politics. This bitch ass cry baby mommas boy walks OUT on the date, WITHOUT paying for his drinks/food. Luckily my friend only had to pay for her stuff. I'll give you one guess what his political leanings were. These maga morons got no balls
For your own safety you should really ask about their political ideology before meeting them. Make sure to not let them fool you either, never tell them yours first.
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History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn't happening and maybe claim they don't have enough control and we'll hear the term bipartisan.
That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore. When they DO have some ability to improve things, they barely do. Biden proved to be exactly the slow-moving watered-down change I expected.
Fuck em all. And fuck you when you tell me how wrong I am. I really don't give a fuck.
Put up serious change on the ticket or I'll just roll my eyes again.
I'd rather live under fascism than to vote democrat
That's you.
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Even in the best case scenario of a well-intentioned-but-ignorant person that didn't think critically about what a Trump vote meant, I still wouldn't want to be married to a fool.
You've gotta use your brain if you want to ride this train.
You can't use that excuse for the last election though.
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They look young. Probably not voting for anybody.
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Ah yeah that's why not voting is gonna help. Doing less instead of more, good idea pal
So what I'm reading is, there's two approaches, neither of which have solved fuck all, therefore everyone is wrong.
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The top part is true, but reversing 25% is something and it's not a constant flow of more carnage. If you don't give a fuck, then you are basically pro carnage since you are doing nothing to stop it, but fuck me right?
Also you can vote for who Dems up on the ticket in the primary. New York voters showed the rest of the country that it's possible.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Where I have lived for my adult life in 3 significantly different parts of the country, it is true that my vote would have not at all affected the outcome on nearly all election positions I could vote for.
This was true multiple elections in a row. Whether my vote merely reaffirmed what was clearly going to happen regardless, or if mine was a waste since it was clearly not going to matter. In the vast majority of elections I did or could have voted in, I have looked after the fact and seen how my contribution, or lack of, Did. Not. Fucking. Matter.
Also most options I am presented with most of the time are uninspiring or downright evil.
As for effecting change. That's a waste of time. I learned that early on. Everyone has their viewpoints and beliefs and the vast majority will not be swayed. They either will not change, or were already on your side.
Its not my responsibility to "solve" America's 250 years of lies.
So have fun on your high horse as you highlight one cherry-picked recent primary result for one city in a country filled with 90,000 governments and countless elected positions.
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They just want internet points and the brief satisfaction of feeling smug by being a piece of shit to someone online.
I'm getting lots of downvotes. The Principal Skinner meme comes to mind.
Is the Democratic Party at fault?
No, the millions of people who didn't want to vote for the Democratic Party are to blame.
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The problem is, there often more than a million people in that state all thinking the same thing, that their vote doesn't matter. Well, they've self fulfilled by taking themselves out of the equation.
That's an unproveable negative, and a strawman. An easy enough target for a crappy argument.
