Rage jello
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Iād kill to be at home with my kids instead of working.
I think that's true of many people.
But I suspect that the numbers are pretty evenly split between "would thrive in either role," "would be miserable in either role," "would much prefer being in the paid workforce," and "would much prefer being a stay at home parent."
My wife and I are squarely in the "would much prefer being in the paid workforce," because we like our jobs, and because we want our children in an organized school environment (and paying for after care is fine for them and for us). Most of our social circle are in the same boat. But most of us are mid-career white collar professionals and have better than average flexibility over work hours and location (at perhaps the cost of a blurred boundary between work and home). So our jobs are easier to balance with parenting.
On the flip side, home situation matters a lot, too. How much you enjoy different types of household work (cooking, cleaning, home improvement/maintenance), different functions of a caretaker (feeding kids, scheduling out activities, being that first line as an educator or first aid or driver, etc.), how well your hobbies and interests fit into a lifestyle as a full time caretaker, etc.
One of my friends gave up his main career to take care of his kids, but now that they're in school he went back to personal training at a gym. He lines up clients and is only available for sessions between school dropoff and pickup (10am to 2pm). It's a good intermediate holding pattern for him, and he'll likely go back to his main white collar career once his kids are old enough to be latchkey kids. That being said, I know he wasn't super happy not working outside of the home, and this personal trainer thing has him in a much better spot than when his kids were too young for school.
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Ah, I miss it. Just me, an offset serrated knife, a bag of onions the size of a child, a slippery floor, a nearby open flame, music that hurts my ears... And not an email in sight.
I loved cooking in a professional kitchen. The job itself was great. Some of the coworkers were all over the place, but I fucking loved the good ones.
And there's something immensely satisfying about the teamwork behind turning a bunch of raw ingredients into multiple delicious meals, perfectly timed out with each dish hitting the table at the right moment. (The frustration of a kitchen that isn't doing this is a separate story.)
But the industry itself has so much toxicity. Bad managers, bad owners. Substance abuse problems. And the real reason I left wasn't actually the bad pay. It was the miserable hours. I was always a night owl but I couldn't deal with the isolating separation from my family and non-industry friends from working nights, weekends, and holidays when everyone else was building memories and reinforcing bonds.
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Would you rather have flaming hot Jell-O or extra sour?
Why limit yourself.
Both.
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Are you saying this
wasn't cooked up by a pure well-meaning heart?
I mean.. I'd try it. I might not like it, but I'll give it a go.
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You are correct that office jobs are less physically strenuous, but they come with their own unique mental horrors. Nobody at a factory spends a week working on a report, only for their boss to decide on a Friday afternoon that everything is wrong and needs to be redone by Monday with no overtime pay, or any opportunity to say 'no, I can't take that job.'
Especially with Work from Home, there is no separation between the stress of needing to perform and the relaxation associated with home. You are on, ALL THE TIME, and most people who work at offices for salaries are expected to be available to chat / meet at any time of day, including at 2 or 3 AM if you are working with Indians or Hong Kongers.
Yeah I am not destroying my knees, but my self-confidence and mental health are absolute dogshit.
Don't be classist, folks. If someone needs to work to survive, they are more alike you than they are not like you. Separating ourselves from each other only serves the wealthiest among us.
"Nobody at a factory spends a week working on a report, only for their boss to decide on a Friday afternoon that everything is wrong and needs to be redone by Monday"
This is absolutely not true. Mechanics, factory workers, labourers all get fucked over like this all the time. The mental strain of a job isn't greater for people who work at a desk it's just the only strain they experience as opposed to someone who works with their hands who has to deal with the physical and mental demands of their labour.
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Men mostly had office jobs. Office workers do not "do" much. Sitting at a table with a plastic box and a phone is not particularly strenuous. Their diets paired with excessive smoking, drinking and inactivity for most of their days caused the high death rate. Office workers, even now, do not "do" very much in comparison to other professions.
When and where?
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We're not talking about an average man. We're talking about a man whose wife puts unholy things in jelly. There is something wrong with that man.
Or it could just have been the benzos
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I was reading the other day that Gen X technically got the highest lifetime lead exposure. Boomers didn't grow up with it.
Boomers for sure did, leaded gasoline began being used before Boomers were even born.
What likely leads to greater exposure is how many cars there were by the 70s and 80s. But lead exposure is cumulative over a lifetime. So I would be curious to see that research, as Boomers had roughly 40 years of exposure from 1950s to 1994. Gen X wouldn't have that much by decades.
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The reason the workplace death rate for men is 100x that of women is because they are most certainly not doing "fuck all".
More like "fuck safety" amiright?
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When and where?
Mad Men, all seasons. Obviously.
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Men mostly had office jobs. Office workers do not "do" much. Sitting at a table with a plastic box and a phone is not particularly strenuous. Their diets paired with excessive smoking, drinking and inactivity for most of their days caused the high death rate. Office workers, even now, do not "do" very much in comparison to other professions.
Even today, the workplace death rate for men is something like 20x that of women.
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Extra Sour Flamin' Hot Jell-O.
This will give me nightmares I fear.
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How old are you?
Mid 40's. Not an office worker
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Men mostly had office jobs. Office workers do not "do" much. Sitting at a table with a plastic box and a phone is not particularly strenuous. Their diets paired with excessive smoking, drinking and inactivity for most of their days caused the high death rate. Office workers, even now, do not "do" very much in comparison to other professions.
Men did not mostly have office jobs in the 1950s and 60s.
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Well, yeah. Most people would much rather spend their time and energy taking care of their children than laboring away for someone else's profit. They may not phrase it like that, but raising children is far more self-fulfilling than working a job could ever be for most people. I imagine in most cases, people prefer tons of hard work raising a child when compared to working the easy cozy job, because at the end of the day the job is just a means to an end.
Speaking as a working parent (married to another working parent), it's worth pointing out that this dichotomy isn't mutually exclusive:
raising children is far more self-fulfilling than working a job could ever be for most people.
I agree with this! But I also would note that of the 168 hours in a week, being away from them for 50 of them (especially if they're at school anyway for 30 of them) doesn't really detract from my ability to do both big picture parenting (teaching life skills, moral values, building memories, being a role model) or even the small stuff that adds up (cooking meals, helping with homework, listening to them, talking to them, taking them to and from extracurricular activities, pursuing hobbies together, etc.).
So it's not an all or nothing thing. Most working parents can still raise children in an immensely fulfilling way, so the fulfilling part of a stay at home parent isn't actually exclusive to the stay at home parents.