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  • natanox@discuss.tchncs.deN [email protected]

    And then there were those who got a rock-hard boner and wondered for a completely different reason if this career was for them.

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    Well, there's always

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    • remembertheapollo_@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

      The oath is a promise, not a law. People break promises all the time.

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      Yes, but it's an ethical promise, so they are saying healthcare professionals have shady ethics.

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        "I refuse to treat left handed people. It's a lifestyle I don't agree with."

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        Stupid sexy Flanders...

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          It is sad that this is apparently considered to be impressive or even noteworthy.

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          It immediately makes my "Manipulation Sense" tingle. They are making it sound like this is a common or reasonable question from their students. Or that this is some kind of new issue that doctors are dealing with.

          So either there really is a new wave of young up-and-coming health professionals who are absolute dogshit morons for even asking this kind of question, or this is being circulated by someone deliberately trying to stir up shit, I just can't figure out which direction they're stirring. (Hint: it doesn't have to have a direction, misinformation and public discourse sabotage consists of just amplifying all the wildest and most extreme takes on both sides of any issue to keep people from wanting to get involved or trust anything at all.)

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            "Is this career path okay with discrimination? Because I have groups I want to die."

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            I don't trust anything about this... meme? I don't know what we call context-less clips of other people's comments that get circulated.

            Whatever it is, it is trying to sound positive but it's implying some false narratives. It's implying that this is a common or new issue that professors are always dealing with, that there's some common wave of pushback against treating LGBTQ patients. If you're studying to be a doctor or healthcare professional, most likely you already don't give half a fuck about someone's gender identity or sexuality unless it impacts their treatment. (Yes there are some bigoted healthcare professionals out there, but they're not the norm.)

            The narrative here is making it seem like poor, naive students are now suddenly worried about how they're going to deal with all these trans and gay people flooding the healthcare industry.

            If it's not subtly trying to introduce a false narrative like this, it's serving that purpose all the same and should be buried and not circulated any further.

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              This is almost assuredly a false narrative being introduced to make it seem like professors and schools are having to deal with some "flood of LGBTQ+ patients" who the new healthcare professionals suddenly have to deal with.

              Just because the message seems positive, doesn't mean it's serving positive goals.

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                But of course in the Christian-sharia-law state of Tennessee, doctors can refuse patients if they don’t fit their values or whatever. A woman was refused prenatal care because she wasn’t married.

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                This type of stuff is extremely concerning to me. My ability to get life saving medical treatment is based on the whimsy of some superficial judgment some random doctor makes about me? There is no way this can be legal.

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                  This would never fly in today's era. Nor should it.

                  But about two decades ago I dated a gastroenterologist... I think she had around 13 years of schooling.

                  Anyways, her first day of med school, they made the entire class watch gay porn. Like vicious, graphic, excessively graphic gay porn.

                  With of course the professor saying if this makes you uncomfortable, you'd best find a new track. Because you ain't going to make it, this is going to be your life: assholes, boils, pus, cancer, shit, piss, if you're going to be a gastroenterologist you're going to have your head up people's asses your whole career....

                  Etc

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                  This would never fly in today’s era. Nor should it.

                  I believe we already have individual states that allow health care providers to refuse care based on their religious beliefs.

                  So unfortunately, it seems to be flying alright.

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                    Ah, I remember that one. 96 was a crazy year!

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                    Germans itt be like... vanilla ball-nailing pr0n... yawn

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                      Tangentially related, or at least it made me think of it.

                      Orson Scott Card said this:

                      Ender’s childhood is based, albeit loosely, on my own; his relationship with Peter and Valentine is based, not on my actual relationship with my older brother and sister, but rather on the way I conceived those relationships to be when I was Ender’s age. Ender’s revised understanding of Peter late in life parallels in emotion the same revision I went through in my teens as I discovered… my childish view of my older brother was hopelessly wrong

                      For those that don't know, Peter abused the hell out of Ender. Not a huge spoiler. Another time he said this:

                      The dark secret of homosexual society … is how many homosexuals first entered into that world through a disturbing seduction or rape or molestation or abuse

                      Then he went on to write several of the same character. Either homosexual or asexual who takes a wife in order to raise children. But it's literally never about the woman. Anton was mostly open about his sexuality but married a woman. Ender had no sexual urges (there was a lot of underage homo-adjacent stuff and some sister stuff, but not necessarily gay) until he married. And did he marry her for her? Nope. The first thing he thinks of is how her 6 kids need him. Ansset is gay and married a woman. It's pretty obvious he believes a lot of folks are gay because they were abused and it's pretty obvious he was abused. And he believes those men should get married and raise children because that's the highest calling.

                      I'm not usually a "homophobic means closeted homosexual" but I'm of the firm belief that Card is so far in the closet he's finding Christmas presents.

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                      He also wrote Wyrm (teenage girl is biologically destined to be impregnated by worm monster, that’s literally what the entire book is about) and Harts Hope (our hero has to rape a teenage princess in front of her entire kingdom for reasons, this turns her evil and she becomes the main antagonist.)

                      Card’s fucked up a lot more than “closet gay.”

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                        This is almost assuredly a false narrative being introduced to make it seem like professors and schools are having to deal with some "flood of LGBTQ+ patients" who the new healthcare professionals suddenly have to deal with.

                        Just because the message seems positive, doesn't mean it's serving positive goals.

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                        When I go to a hospital I really hope the doctor is fully focused on getting me better, not my gender, looks, or whether or not I'd like to suck dick.

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                        • sarge@startrek.websiteS [email protected]

                          A nurse once told me to "mind my own fucking business" when I said "are you fucking kidding me?" to seeing her pull off her mask to cough into her hand and go back to the shit she was working on during covid lock downs. In the ER nurses station, surrounded by nurses with asks completely down or with noses poking out.

                          10/10

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                          Effing incompetent nurse stabbed me with a hypodermic, then insisted she could go forward with injecting medication into my baby. Why would she need to sterilize or replace it?

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                            I wish this is how it was at my medical school. My med school is attached to a deeply religious university and some of our professors said some pretty wild shit in lectures. I was almost always the one to key up on the mic in recorded lectures to fight them on it.

                            I'm sad to say there were a couple lectures that I was just too demoralized to fight back directly, but I did talk to my classmates to correct the record after those lectures.

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                              This is almost assuredly a false narrative being introduced to make it seem like professors and schools are having to deal with some "flood of LGBTQ+ patients" who the new healthcare professionals suddenly have to deal with.

                              Just because the message seems positive, doesn't mean it's serving positive goals.

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                              what goal does it serve in your opinion?

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                                This type of stuff is extremely concerning to me. My ability to get life saving medical treatment is based on the whimsy of some superficial judgment some random doctor makes about me? There is no way this can be legal.

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                                Hey now take comfort in the fact that their lives are in the hands of God. Pfft nah it's in the hands of anyone willing to shank them for being a sanctimonious self righteous profligate. Frankly speaking if someone nearly died or dies because of such a scenario where they denied IDK sutures or some shit for religious reasons they wholly deserve to be processed through a morgue incinerator while still alive.

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                                  I don't trust anything about this... meme? I don't know what we call context-less clips of other people's comments that get circulated.

                                  Whatever it is, it is trying to sound positive but it's implying some false narratives. It's implying that this is a common or new issue that professors are always dealing with, that there's some common wave of pushback against treating LGBTQ patients. If you're studying to be a doctor or healthcare professional, most likely you already don't give half a fuck about someone's gender identity or sexuality unless it impacts their treatment. (Yes there are some bigoted healthcare professionals out there, but they're not the norm.)

                                  The narrative here is making it seem like poor, naive students are now suddenly worried about how they're going to deal with all these trans and gay people flooding the healthcare industry.

                                  If it's not subtly trying to introduce a false narrative like this, it's serving that purpose all the same and should be buried and not circulated any further.

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                                  As someone who attends a medical school attached to a religious university, I can tell you this is a mindset that exists quite commonly in the medical field. Many of these people get careers in the multitudes of Catholic hospitals that abuse religious freedom laws to deny certain kinds of healthcare and face absolutely no repercussions for their persistent bigotry.

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                                    Doesn't this fall under the Hippocratic oath anyways? Or am I mistaken

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                                    The Hippocratic oath doesn't cover this at all and actually explicitly forbids abortion and euthanasia. It's really quite antiquated which is why I wrote an oath for myself that I hold to.

                                    There's a lot of debate about the specific meanings of the text, but there are many Christian physicians that will latch onto those passages as an excuse to apply their own beliefs to patient care. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

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                                      This would never fly in today’s era. Nor should it.

                                      I believe we already have individual states that allow health care providers to refuse care based on their religious beliefs.

                                      So unfortunately, it seems to be flying alright.

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                                      Pretty sure they were speaking in reference to the anecdote they were about to relay.

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                                        Isn't this like a decade old at this point?

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                                        • medgremlin@midwest.socialM [email protected]

                                          The Hippocratic oath doesn't cover this at all and actually explicitly forbids abortion and euthanasia. It's really quite antiquated which is why I wrote an oath for myself that I hold to.

                                          There's a lot of debate about the specific meanings of the text, but there are many Christian physicians that will latch onto those passages as an excuse to apply their own beliefs to patient care. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath

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                                          Interesting

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