"Is this career path okay with discrimination? Because I have groups I want to die."

The oath is a promise, not a law. People break promises all the time.

Hospital worker here. No amount of education can undo the dogma of right wing extremism. You wouldn't think hateful bigots would be counted among nurses, doctors, etc since they literally spent years studying exactly why they should know better.

But then Fox or some preacher starts hating on trans folks and suddenly their medical knowledge about the community is just straight into the dumpster.

They need to be fired.

Look I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but let's try and be a little nuance about this.

I don't think it is moral to force someone to do something they don't want to do for whatever reason. Eg u shouldn't be allowed to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to completion. Nor should u be forced to help said person end that pregnancy if you don't want to. I think if u don't want to end it you should be forced to give them the contact of someone who will.

If you are going to force someone to medically treat someone for something you don't want to do, u by definition do not believe it is beneficial to them and is thus a violation of ur oath.

But do u think its important that u retain the right to? Even if you don't intend to use it.

If you become a medical profession, do your job. End of story. Leave your personal crap at the door or get a new job.

the right to refuse providing life saving service to someone? even if I consider the person no longer a human because they chose to become a nazi?

not an actual right. if you can’t provide it, to everyone, even people who disgust you, you’re in the wrong industry.

Interesting so you would feel obligated to save Hitlers life from an injury that would be fatal without ur intervention?

reductio ad absurdum.

the guy having a heart attack by the mcdonalds with nazi tattoos is a nazi. not the same as literal hitler. still an inhuman piece of shit. still worthless. still required to provide care. not the target of a worldwide multinational military operation requiring millions of russians to take berlin.

If u become a soldier do ur job leave ur personal crap at the door or get a new job. U just justified the actions of the Nazis "I'm just following orders".

reductio ad absurdum.

I don't think so. If you do not retain the right to refuse service you must save Hitlers life. Given that the logic leads us to this ultimatum u must choose save Hitlers life ur retain the right to refuse service based on personal moral views.

think so

well then, you’re fucking wrong.

also “save life” different than “attempt”

A soldier's job includes disobeying illegal orders. That's the law. Try again.

To be fair, if you don't want to follow orders without question, you will find being a foot soldier particularly unpleasant.

But your moral equivalence between following orders to kill without question and saving lives and healing people without question is utterly bogus and broken.

I mean they didn't. "Do your job or do something else" and "I'm just following orders" are worlds apart.

One is expressing the opinion that if a person freely chooses a profession but then refuses to practice it for asinine reasons they should choose a different profession because they are incapable of doing the job correctly.

The other is an excuse Nazi's used to justify the shit they did.

Not the same.

The real problem here is that allowing medical professionals to pick and choose like you describe based on their personal values will lead to people dying. That's the entire reason for the Hippocratic oath, to provide an unbiased framework of ethics under which physicians practice.

Hypothetically, say you're straight, have a one night stand with your preferred gender and get AIDS. You feel sick go to a doctor and they refuse to treat you because AIDS is the "gay" disease and since you have AIDS, you must be gay and this Doctor doesn't "agree with that lifestyle." So you ask for one who does, turns out you're in a Catholic hospital and no one "agrees with that lifestyle" here. Sorry, you're fucked and maybe have to drive a few hours for treatment now because of some judgmental assholes. Or you die from AIDS because you live in America, in a red state, where you have no other options.

That phrase btw? The one about lifestyles? That's a fucking dog whistle.

Answer the ultimatum. That's all I ask.

your ultimatum was impossible to answer and absurd, so no.

Prior to the Nuremberg trials individual responsibility for disobeying unlawful orders was an implicit judgement and not explicitly stated.

And if we look at examples of people using the defence of I was disobeying orders due to them being in violation of international law they got arrested and locked up for the rest of their life (see David McBride).

It is sad that this is apparently considered to be impressive or even noteworthy.

I swapped the word for one profession with the word of another. In ancient Greek the word technē often used in philosophical discussion such as this was used for both interchangeably.

Why is it utterly bogus and broken. Ur opinion does not negate mine lest u have an argument to back your claim.