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    There is a general rejection of such a test. Obviously voting in its current form doesn't work. If everybody keeps being allowed to vote, what can be done to improve the quality of the outcome?

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    An education system that doesn't aim to turn the population into diligent cattle.

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      Uhh, no the idea is most certainly not "fine"

      It's only fine if you don't think about it at all beyond the surface level presentation.

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      The concept that only the educated should vote is essentially the entire advantage of living in a republic. If the test was actually fairly made it would be fine, the real problem is it would be used to limit specific demographics from voting while not actually ensuring only the educated can vote

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      • savvywolf@pawb.socialS [email protected]

        Ehh... I think it's fundamentally problematic. Why should only a subset of the adult population be allowed to vote on laws that affect everyone?

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        You mean like how the house and senate are the ones who actually vote on the laws instead of direct democracy?

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          There is a general rejection of such a test. Obviously voting in its current form doesn't work. If everybody keeps being allowed to vote, what can be done to improve the quality of the outcome?

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          Make it more accessible and provide better candidates.

          Accessible things like:

          • nearly anything other than first past the post
          • Mandated Paid time off to vote.
          • Vote by mail(universal absentee ballot).
          • Strict adherence to vote outcomes (Congress cannot ignore at state nor national level).
          • full-stop limits on campaign spending
          • reform campaign donation regulation
          • limit campaign advertising to small window near election (e.g. 3 months prior)

          Better candidates like:

          • Anyone left of "defacing property is equivalent to or worse than assault on a person"
          • One that has a platform people are excited to vote for

          I promise you there's plenty of highly educated idiots, such a test would only limit the voting base to elite idiots.

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            Voting should be mandatory, punished by like a $200 fine for non voters.

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              Keep trying, Jay. One day you'll make a funny comic.

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              • D [email protected]

                Okay buddy cryptofash rhetoric

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                You sure do love calling people fascist, you've done it multiple times today.

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                  The concept that only the educated should vote is essentially the entire advantage of living in a republic. If the test was actually fairly made it would be fine, the real problem is it would be used to limit specific demographics from voting while not actually ensuring only the educated can vote

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                  Considering I'm against the concept of living in hierarchical government structures, such as republics, that's not exactly a benefit from my perspective. It just exposes the flaws of living under hierarchy.

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                  • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                    This is a bad idea. You would just be creating another layer of gerrymandering.

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                    I mean.... I don't see the comic portraying the idea as good. More just using it as a vehicle to call most people dumb.

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                      I think it's supposed to say "Cross out the digit necessary", so one digit, in which case cross out the 1 because there's enough 0's that crossing out one 0 isn't enough.

                      It's 10 that has me confused. Is it asking for the last letter of the first word that starts with 'L' in that sentence? It doesn't actually specify.

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                      That's a perfect example of its ambiguousness; I read that as "the number below [this question]" and assumed I had to cross out enough zeros to make it 1,000,000.

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                        I think it's supposed to say "Cross out the digit necessary", so one digit, in which case cross out the 1 because there's enough 0's that crossing out one 0 isn't enough.

                        It's 10 that has me confused. Is it asking for the last letter of the first word that starts with 'L' in that sentence? It doesn't actually specify.

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                        Yeah, but the actual answer is how white are you?

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                        • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techS [email protected]

                          I won't call out of or the drawer for bad idea. The idea is fine. There's just zero ways to ever implement it. It's nice to dream though

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                          You realize that literacy tests were used to exclude minorities from voting, right? The idea is not fine because it's inherently oppressive.

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                          • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                            Voting should be mandatory, punished by like a $200 fine for non voters.

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                            Yes, let's force everyone to vote whether or not they have any clue what's going on or who the candidates are, great idea.

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                              Heinlein gets shit on for this, but his "citizenship through service" idea always made sense to me. Yeah you have rights, can work a regular job, and have all the benefits we traditionally associate with "citizenship" by simply being a legal resident...but if you want to vote or hold office, you need to spend a few years contributing. Maybe that's military service, or maybe that's working as a teacher in a low-income area. Regardless, voting is a privilege that SHOULD be earned by contributing to the society you want to impact FIRST.

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                              Nope, it's a terrible idea.

                              Who defines 'service'? Who assigns 'service'? Who decides you have done enough 'service'? Who decides who is capable or not capable of 'service'? What happens when two different officials have different ideas on the above? What happens when different administrative regions have different ideas on the above? What happens when different regions have different numbers of Voters? What are the health risks of 'service'? What the health risks of the jobs that aren't 'service'? What about people who are incapable of doing 'service'? What about people who choose not to do 'service'? How are resources distributed between Voters and Non-Voters? What about political issues that largely only affect Non-Voters? What happens when the Non-Voters vastly outnumber the Voters and rightfully decide this is a crappy system?

                              I suggest the game Shadowrun if you want a look at a world where the Certified Citizens are a small minority. It's not pretty.

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                              • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techS [email protected]

                                Thank you for getting what I was trying to say. Spot on, I don't think the idea is wrong. It would be nice if there was a test to say "hey are you able to vote on these topics, have you researched, are you voting with your brain or with emotions?" - which is why I say the idea is fine. There isn't though. There isn't a single way to do that fairly or equitably.

                                Thank god the commenters immediately jumped down my throat to tell me what I already knew.

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                                Exactly. The problem with having to meet certain criteria for being able to vote is who gets to set that criteria. We would end up with “black people have to guess the number of bubbles in this bar of soap” all over again.

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                                  No it's not.

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                                  Please explain

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                                    I think it's supposed to say "Cross out the digit necessary", so one digit, in which case cross out the 1 because there's enough 0's that crossing out one 0 isn't enough.

                                    It's 10 that has me confused. Is it asking for the last letter of the first word that starts with 'L' in that sentence? It doesn't actually specify.

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                                    Compared to rest of questions, the one doesn't specify that the answer is contained in the sentence, By that logic, I'd say the first word is Louisiana.

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                                    • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                      Voting should be mandatory, punished by like a $200 fine for non voters.

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                                      Brazil does this I think & it's not going well

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                                        Yes, let's force everyone to vote whether or not they have any clue what's going on or who the candidates are, great idea.

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                                        It works in Australia. The main upside is since voting is mandatory the onus is on the government (or more precisely, an independent body called the Australian Electoral Commission) to make sure there are enough polling places, voting papers etc to accommodate the full turn out. Further, voting is done on a Saturday and there is plenty of opportunity to vote early/do a postal vote/vote from a completely different electorate etc.

                                        My understanding from several US elections I've seen is there are a LOT of people who would like to vote but can't due to work, ridiculous waiting times, lack of facilities etc. Compulsory voting would mean all of this would have to be taken care of without the states mucking around with their own rules.

                                        To address the issue you have, yes, people who have no clue turn up and vote BUT whilst voting is compulsory, submitting a valid vote is not. So long as you turn up and take your bits of paper you can just draw a dick on them or whatever if you don't feel you know enough to have a say.

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                                        • fishos@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                                          Um fuck you? Being autistic doesn't mean we can't circle a letter or understand a sentence. Hell, this shit is incredibly literal minded and is easy as hell for us. Maybe you're the one with trouble.....

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                                          This test is clearly intended to be deceptive. For example, with Q1 should I circle the number '1' or 'a'? With Q4 how do you draw a line around something? 11 is clearly a trick question designed to put pressure on people.

                                          I'm autistic and whilst I could confidently argue an answer for these questions, I'm pretty sure someone would disagree with the reasoning I use, and a single failure means I fail the test

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