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  • R [email protected]

    You're just an astroturf. You are what's a stop to any temporary left unity, not those who you accuse with ridiculous strawmen.

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    I'm not uniting with people who will kill me later. We've done that multiple times. Your ilk always betrays us.

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    • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

      Or maybe I did, and I disagree with your interpretation.

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      I’m saying it because I’ve seen them make the same argument, as I have done myself, in different ways.

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      • Y [email protected]

        One of the Lemmy Devs was saying that being transgender was promoted by the bourgeois

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        #241

        Now do the rest

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        • salamencefury@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

          I'm not uniting with people who will kill me later. We've done that multiple times. Your ilk always betrays us.

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          Sounds like you're the one betraying us

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          • C [email protected]

            It's why ranked choice is the only sane voting approach. First past the post heavily favors right wing authoritarians.

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            #243

            Ranked-choice voting is a decent choice for uninominal elections.

            Proportional elections are a popular alternative, and they are arguably fairer than even RCV because they are not susceptible to gerrymandering or votes otherwise being weighted by geography (i.e. your vote still matters just as much as anyone's if you live in Redneckville, Mississippi). They do have other downsides though.

            Unfortunately here in Belgium we do proportional voting and the Prime Minister is nonetheless a far-right separatist in charge of a right-wing coalition so, uh, maybe FPTP is not the only thing that stands between the citizenry and a communist utopia lol

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            • bad@jlai.luB [email protected]

              [dude with glasses in a communist t-shirt, arguing]
              I'm the only leftist here, your opinions are TRASH

              [dude holding a theory book on smug, arguing]
              Read theory you losers, you're all WRONG

              [dude in an anarchist hoodie, arguing]
              Nuh-uh, I'm the only leftist here, you're SHITLIBS

              [the three dudes are now caught in a cartoon fight, glasses gone flying, punches everywhere, while a firing squad of nazis are targeting them with rifles]

              [a confused nazi asks]
              Why… why are they still arguing?

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              I feel like the nazis should be congratulating themselves on sowing discord, distracting those that could resist with bullshit

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              • bad@jlai.luB [email protected]

                It's a specific type of leftist we have in my country, french communists are a… special breed, let's say.

                In the 1980s our communist party bulldozed a migrant worker dormitory because they hated migrants that much. Red MAGA or something. The party recovered from that era, but french communists are still chauvinistic, xenophobic, and strangely not that much into anti-imperialism (which is meant to be the redeeming quality of tankies). They do however share with tankies the traits of applying "class first" logic to a lot of conversations, which makes them deathly allergic to intersectionality, and being terminally online and way into infighting. Thus they usually end up booted from actual activist groups, since they tend to hold us back and prevent us from actually getting shit done in the streets.

                Hence me calling them pseudo-tankies because it's hard to label them. We just call them tankies here: they're members of a party that supported the crushing of the hungarian uprising with soviet tanks, and is ambiguous about tienanmen (no denying it happened but very alt-history about it), so pro-tanks they are.

                I have an easier time getting along with the average online american tankie than with our local communist party's members.

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                chauvinistic, xenophobic, and strangely not that much into anti-imperialism

                Sounds like Nazbol to me.

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                • bad@jlai.luB [email protected]

                  [dude with glasses in a communist t-shirt, arguing]
                  I'm the only leftist here, your opinions are TRASH

                  [dude holding a theory book on smug, arguing]
                  Read theory you losers, you're all WRONG

                  [dude in an anarchist hoodie, arguing]
                  Nuh-uh, I'm the only leftist here, you're SHITLIBS

                  [the three dudes are now caught in a cartoon fight, glasses gone flying, punches everywhere, while a firing squad of nazis are targeting them with rifles]

                  [a confused nazi asks]
                  Why… why are they still arguing?

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                  #246

                  If you're throwing the word "liberals" around, you're an authoritarian, which is no better than being a fascist.

                  This is why I can't stand Tankies and establishment Democrats. You can't claim to be a champion of human rights, while simultaneously supporting the governments that egregiously violate peoples' human rights. Complete and utter hypocrites.

                  Edit: See what I mean? All of you suck.

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                  • 0 [email protected]

                    Ok. Neither did the communist revolutions of the 20th century permanently damage communism as a political system.

                    Watch the news, talk to people, "communism bad" is all they blurt out without thinking.

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                    What? Most people seem pretty positive towards Communism.

                    Ohhhh wait, you think only white westerners are "people"

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                    • jbone@lemmy.dbzer0.comJ [email protected]

                      So if there one thing I'd be happy for you take out of this convo, is that I am in no way supportive of US-style polemics about "this is such a communist shithole!" or any of the variety of standardized phrases comparing "capitalism" to "communism".

                      When I lived in the US, this was extremely annoying! That being said, that doesn't mean I am going to deny reality.

                      Ok. Neither did the communist revolutions of the 20th century permanently damage communism as a political system.

                      But they have. There are no more communist countries. The remaining countries that are marketed as communist, have long become authoritarian capitalist countries.

                      There is zero mass momentum towards "communist" parties. Many "communist" parties are little more than fronts for places like russia (a hyper-capitalist shithole with a majority of the population committed to genocidal imperialism).

                      Anarchists and communistic system have indeed existed before the USSR/CCP China appeared, but they are not functionally comparable to an ideology-focused communist government regime.

                      It's like saying commerce, competition, innovation are element of capitalism, when these things have existed before capitalism and will likely exist after capitalism (in the polemical sense) becomes mostly a matter of history books.

                      Besides, so called “liberal democracies” have done far more evil than the USSR or Communist China. In fact, they’re doing a repeat of the Holocaust as we speak. Does that “permanently (without any chance of rehabilitation) discredit democracy as a legitimate ideology”?

                      This is false.

                      Sure, if you’re a complete dullard who has mainlined nothing but pure, concentrated cold war propaganda without any thought or consideration, without ever bothering to open a single book on political theory. Everyone else is not that stupid.

                      This is not cold war propaganda. I was born in the USSR, as was my family. I live in a country that was occupied under the banner of communism under the USSR.

                      I oppose the current oligarch regime and I have an extremely negative view of the American political system. That being said, communism is not the answer.

                      Communism is the past. It's history. It's done.

                      We need to build something better (often inspired by the ideals of Marx), we are wasting chasing a dead end ideology; this only makes the oligarchs and the criminals stronger.

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                      #248

                      This is false.

                      Well, I don't see any point trying to continue to have a discussion with someone who's just a blunt genocide denier.

                      Suffice to say, to all your arguments: This is false.

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                      • bad@jlai.luB [email protected]

                        [dude with glasses in a communist t-shirt, arguing]
                        I'm the only leftist here, your opinions are TRASH

                        [dude holding a theory book on smug, arguing]
                        Read theory you losers, you're all WRONG

                        [dude in an anarchist hoodie, arguing]
                        Nuh-uh, I'm the only leftist here, you're SHITLIBS

                        [the three dudes are now caught in a cartoon fight, glasses gone flying, punches everywhere, while a firing squad of nazis are targeting them with rifles]

                        [a confused nazi asks]
                        Why… why are they still arguing?

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                        #249

                        The nice thing about the two party system is that there is no one else to vote for. Its how we got here. But at least we will have a chance of putting someone who has an idea how to run a country in charge

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                        • P [email protected]

                          If you're throwing the word "liberals" around, you're an authoritarian, which is no better than being a fascist.

                          This is why I can't stand Tankies and establishment Democrats. You can't claim to be a champion of human rights, while simultaneously supporting the governments that egregiously violate peoples' human rights. Complete and utter hypocrites.

                          Edit: See what I mean? All of you suck.

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                          If you’re throwing the word “liberals” around, you’re an authoritarian, which is no better than being a fascist.

                          Deeply fucking unserious person

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                          • B [email protected]

                            Sounds like you're the one betraying us

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                            You're literally the pink guy on this comic.

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                            • draegur@lemmy.zipD [email protected]

                              I don't care what someone calls themselves as long as they oppose fascism and understand that the only place where Pedophiles are welcome is the inside of a wood chipper.

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                              I can understand the emotional impulse, but i would change it to "active pedophiles". They can't really choose what arouses them, but they can choose not to act on those impulses - that is what counts. This distinction is important, because i would very much prefer if inactive pedophiles (who probably beat themselves up constantly, leading to emotional instability, depression and therefore a higher risk of becoming active) had easy access to ressources to help them stay inactive like therapy or the equivalent to Narcotics Anonymous.

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                              • rockerface@lemmy.cafeR [email protected]

                                They would also tell me to my (virtual) face that they think my country has no right to exist, so that too makes it pretty hard to have any sort of productive collaboration.

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                                No communist thinks any country has a "right to exist".

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                                • O [email protected]

                                  Not gonna mention the Secret Protocol in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact that enabled the partition of Poland and the Baltics?

                                  Or that Stalin actually fell for it all, trusted Hitler, disregarded all evidence of Nazi troop buildup until the day of Operation Barbarossa? Then Stalin spent weeks disappeared from public view.

                                  Credit to the Soviets for defeating the Nazis. WW2 would have been lost without them. But they also acted as imperialists in reattaching Tsarist colonies to Russia, dividing Poland and the Baltics with Hitler, invading Finland, not to mention all the puppet states created postwar.

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                                  Liberals will never forgive the USSR for not letting the Nazis have all of Poland.

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                                  • R [email protected]

                                    Still looking for a single leftist here who claims they support communism. I constantly see it being attributed to the left, but in real life scenarios I just don't see it, only in memes, unless you meant socialism, which is a healthy system of every country, including US.

                                    EDIT: I guess I should stop waiting, this feels like strawman argument/gatekeeping

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                                    How does one get to be so ignorant, but also so confident about it?

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                                    • salamencefury@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                      You're literally the pink guy on this comic.

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                                      Wow, literally "I have already depicted you as a soyjack"

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                                      • A [email protected]

                                        “Voting is actually bad”
                                        Tankies 🤝 Nazis

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                                        This is why far "left" and "right" are itself misguided labels. It's more like far opposite on the other end where they meet.

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                                        • P [email protected]

                                          If you're throwing the word "liberals" around, you're an authoritarian, which is no better than being a fascist.

                                          This is why I can't stand Tankies and establishment Democrats. You can't claim to be a champion of human rights, while simultaneously supporting the governments that egregiously violate peoples' human rights. Complete and utter hypocrites.

                                          Edit: See what I mean? All of you suck.

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                                          Edit: See what I mean?

                                          No. Using the word for a any political group does not make you anything. Also, your comment is extremely US centric, (neo-)liberalism has done a lot of damage on the other side of the pool.

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