When a Christian Makes Contact with an Atheist
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I'm convinced from the evidence that God doesn't care what we believe. If there even is such a thing, and I don't think it's possible to meaningfully answer that, there are many better ways to communicate vital information to people on earth other than choosing someone to relay your messages in a way that is indistinguishable from a mentally ill person who just hears voices in their head.
What better ways to communicate exist?
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What better ways to communicate exist?
Seems like there's a lot of ways, no? A talking immortal dog, just off the top of my head. That would be hard to counter, especially after the first 500 years and it's still there, spouting the word of god in any language you like.
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But you'll just be dust someday
We're not dust yet. There is no reason why our eventual death and non-existence should preclude us finding meaning in our present existence.
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I don't deny that Jesus came to marginalised people. He came to free them, redeem them, and forgive them. He didn't sit around and say "you do you, live your truth". He said "take up your cross, and follow Me".
What are you doing, citing verses without understanding them in their context, if not “living your truth”?
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What are you doing, citing verses without understanding them in their context, if not “living your truth”?
Exegesis.
I do understand the context of Jesus' verses. He was very literal on the existence of Hell.
Matthew 8:8-13
[8] But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. [9] For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” [10] When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith. [11] I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, [12] while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” [13] And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.
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Seems like there's a lot of ways, no? A talking immortal dog, just off the top of my head. That would be hard to counter, especially after the first 500 years and it's still there, spouting the word of god in any language you like.
People would just come up with a scientific explanation for that immortal dog, if they hadn't locked it away in the middle of nowhere already
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You kinda did.
"Is that a crazy way to phrase..."
And now I've answered it twice, from two different angles. You're going to have to rephrase your question if you're not satisfied at this point, because I don't know what you want from me.
You're misquoting me. I think if you read my comment you would find it easier to understand.
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You're misquoting me. I think if you read my comment you would find it easier to understand.
I'm going to congratulate you. It's taken me several replies before realising that you're a troll - you have gotten further than most.
Kudos.
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I'm going to congratulate you. It's taken me several replies before realising that you're a troll - you have gotten further than most.
Kudos.
Literally... just read the comment. It does not say what you just said it does...
Do you often assume people are out to get you instead of double checking if your assumption was correct?
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Exegesis.
I do understand the context of Jesus' verses. He was very literal on the existence of Hell.
Matthew 8:8-13
[8] But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. [9] For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” [10] When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith. [11] I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, [12] while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” [13] And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.
Okay, I'll bait. What's the context of this text? Or in other words: what's Jesus speaking about?
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Okay, I'll bait. What's the context of this text? Or in other words: what's Jesus speaking about?
He is saying that many gentiles will come to know God and get into heaven, while those who reject Him will be sent to hell.
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We're not dust yet. There is no reason why our eventual death and non-existence should preclude us finding meaning in our present existence.
Why delay the inevitable
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If it was created now, then there still is a God.
You said the earth being created old holds more water but it in fact does not.
The idea that the earth was created 5 minutes ago with our entire convo and indeed your entire life being an artifact of its creation should be manifestly absurd to you as you remember differently. This doesn't get more reasonable if you push it back to 10 minutes ago, 10 years ago, or even 6000 years ago.
You should be able to see the continuity of the wrongness as the idea is carried backwards in time
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The only winning move is not to play.
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People would just come up with a scientific explanation for that immortal dog, if they hadn't locked it away in the middle of nowhere already
locked it away in the middle of nowhere already
Why would they do that lol
People would be in awe of this creature. It's speaking the perfect word of god, understandable to all. It cannot be killed and clearly defies all scientific understanding of our modern age. (This thing would pre-date the birth of true science though and more than likely prevent science even coming to be - there would be no need of science or any kind of human progress if we had an indisputable communication channel with god such as this)
I can't help but chuckle at the puny god that you seem to believe in though. God - if it exists and I genuinely believe that question is unanswerable - would be an entity outside time and space way beyond the tiniest comprehension of any human. It would have absolute power over every aspect of the universe. Protecting a dog from any number of humans with any type of weaponry would be such a trivial task for such a being. If the dog didn't want to be moved, it wouldn't move. If it wanted to pass through a wall it would pass though like a red hot ball bearing through butter.
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He is saying that many gentiles will come to know God and get into heaven, while those who reject Him will be sent to hell.
No, you're reformulating the verse. I'm asking for context. What was the discussion about?
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Why delay the inevitable
Why not? It's coming anyway, no need to hurry it along. There are things to do while you wait.
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No, you're reformulating the verse. I'm asking for context. What was the discussion about?
He was talking to a centurion and about the salvation of the gentiles who come to The Messiah and damnation of Jews who reject Him.
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locked it away in the middle of nowhere already
Why would they do that lol
People would be in awe of this creature. It's speaking the perfect word of god, understandable to all. It cannot be killed and clearly defies all scientific understanding of our modern age. (This thing would pre-date the birth of true science though and more than likely prevent science even coming to be - there would be no need of science or any kind of human progress if we had an indisputable communication channel with god such as this)
I can't help but chuckle at the puny god that you seem to believe in though. God - if it exists and I genuinely believe that question is unanswerable - would be an entity outside time and space way beyond the tiniest comprehension of any human. It would have absolute power over every aspect of the universe. Protecting a dog from any number of humans with any type of weaponry would be such a trivial task for such a being. If the dog didn't want to be moved, it wouldn't move. If it wanted to pass through a wall it would pass though like a red hot ball bearing through butter.
God is beyond absurd things such as leaving behind dogs. Look at the sky at night if there's no light pollution. There you can see a glimpse of God's glory and power
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God is beyond absurd things such as leaving behind dogs. Look at the sky at night if there's no light pollution. There you can see a glimpse of God's glory and power
yeah well when you're ready to join us in the 21st century, we'll be here waiting. until then have fun with your stone age incomprehension of the heavens and self-aggrandizing tales of fabulous rewards after death.
