Voting
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Oh I hate to break it to you, many people of color are very conservative, and some are also maga supporters.
The real advice is don't date people from known conservative places, go to liberal cities where you can at least know they are more-likely-than-not, to be at least left-of-center, and possibly a leftist.
play the odds
I know it might have gotten lost in the huge post with multiple paragraph breaks
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Too late seems pretty apt in this case!
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The system needs to change for it to not be a bifurcation, for all practical purposes. The system of voting needs to be changed from First Past the Post to be something like Ranked Robin voting, STAR voting, or Score voting. All of those are my preferred alternatives, but Ranked Choice is still solid over First Past the Post as well.
A different voting system enables third parties to hold real power and to grow in influence.
You can see that isn't a solution by the way it works in the UK
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You can see that isn't a solution by the way it works in the UK
wrote last edited by [email protected]It’s not the solution, but one of many I would say and an important one at that.
Also, the UK uses First Past the Post for the House of Commons, mayoral elections in England, Police and Crime Commissioner elections and local councils.
They use Alternative Voting systems for some of their elections for like the chair of committees in the House of Commons and the Lord Speaker.
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Genocide the natives and take their land? It does sound very American to be fair.
... can't argue with that
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white isn't a race it's the social construct that means the absence of race
Irish stopped being a race when they were accepted into whiteness by becoming police in large number
That's why it's literally impossible to be racist against white people
Mental gymnastics won't save your soul.
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That's a much different take than, "don't tell people your leanings and don't accept others that won't tell you theirs".
I mean, I don't think it is.
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in the context of the US, if you (generally) chose not to vote in the 2024 election then you are guilty of doing nothing to prevent the atrocities committed by the Trump administration
This is really a false dichotomy. There are so many other ways to fight against the atrocities. Given how enthusiastically the democrats are cooperating with the fascist agenda, if you didn't vote but you uploaded some info to one of those ice watch apps, or went and protested in LA, or shuffled papers to slow down their progress in your federal job, you probably already did more tangible good than someone who did the other way around.
Surely you don't mean to imply that you can only do one or the other. That would be a false dichotomy, which, surely, you would understand.
Non-voters just love piling on more shit to fight against, i guess.
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I mean, I don't think it is.
One is actively requesting avoidance and the other merely suggesting ulterior paths. It's the difference between someone saying, "punch that fuck in the face!" and, "words will do you no good with this one".
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Surely you don't mean to imply that you can only do one or the other. That would be a false dichotomy, which, surely, you would understand.
Non-voters just love piling on more shit to fight against, i guess.
Not only did I not mean to imply that, I didn't imply that. If you read that into my comment it's 100% you.
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Mental gymnastics won't save your soul.
reddit.nazi
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Not only did I not mean to imply that, I didn't imply that. If you read that into my comment it's 100% you.
Well that's good. It would be silly to claim to fight against fascism and then not vote, amirite or amirite lol
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Where I have lived for my adult life in 3 significantly different parts of the country, it is true that my vote would have not at all affected the outcome on nearly all election positions I could vote for.
This was true multiple elections in a row. Whether my vote merely reaffirmed what was clearly going to happen regardless, or if mine was a waste since it was clearly not going to matter. In the vast majority of elections I did or could have voted in, I have looked after the fact and seen how my contribution, or lack of, Did. Not. Fucking. Matter.
Also most options I am presented with most of the time are uninspiring or downright evil.
As for effecting change. That's a waste of time. I learned that early on. Everyone has their viewpoints and beliefs and the vast majority will not be swayed. They either will not change, or were already on your side.
Its not my responsibility to "solve" America's 250 years of lies.
So have fun on your high horse as you highlight one cherry-picked recent primary result for one city in a country filled with 90,000 governments and countless elected positions.
In the vast majority of elections I did or could have voted in, I have looked after the fact and seen how my contribution, or lack of, Did. Not. Fucking. Matter.
Elections are almost never decided by a single vote, do you think your vote only matters if it's the deciding vote? I've watched so many election votes counts and so often I see evil win because the vote total for the lesser evil just didn't bother to vote that eletcion. I've also seen areas flip because enough people think their vote doesn't matter because it's a "safe seat" until it isn't. Why be one of those people, just vote every time. There will be an election this November that almost no one will vote in. I've seen vote totals in the 100s and elections decided by less than 10 votes. It would be so easy to sway the results if just a handful more people voted.
Also most options I am presented with most of the time are uninspiring or downright evil.
Vote for the lesser evil otherwise you are more likely to get the greater evil.
Its not my responsibility to "solve" America's 250 years of lies.
I'm not asking or expecting you to, I just want you to vote. Voting doesn't solve things it's just a tug of war and I want more people constantly tugging for the lesser evil.
So have fun on your high horse as you highlight one cherry-picked recent primary result for one city in a country filled with 90,000 governments and countless elected positions.
It's to show you that if you turn out, you can affect elections. You aren't the only person with your belief that voting doesn't matter, there are tons of you. If you all get out and vote you'll make a difference, but it starts with you.
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I don't think it gives any indication that there is only two optionsoh I see the red and blue arrows now, still you could say this anywhere and be suspicious
Yeah in practice you're right - if you live in the Netherlands and are adamant that you're not voting GroenLinks, I can be fairly certain that you're also not going to vote D66 or PvdD.
But that doesn't allow me to go on a rant about two-or-fewer-party systems
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I'm committed to not stopping the fire.
There's a difference between being "committed to not stop the fire" and recognizing my tools at my disposal don't work for me.
A better version of your example is more like my single fire extinguisher might help me with some of my fire, but it turns out my neighbors lit the whole fucking neighborhood on fire, so rather than fighting my little fire and exhausting myself pointlessly, I chose to walk out and acknowledge I can't make a difference here.
If anything I should move out of the neighborhood but that's a luxury I don't have.
This would be an argument for not attending protests or volunteering. But voting takes basically no fucking effort.
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Yeah I'm not voting for a capitalist party.
Do you also refuse to use dollars, because they’re an evil capitalist construct?
You can hate a system and push for its improvement while still using what you can out of it.
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One is actively requesting avoidance and the other merely suggesting ulterior paths. It's the difference between someone saying, "punch that fuck in the face!" and, "words will do you no good with this one".
I am entirely lost.
Sahara is saying not to date republicans, and not to let them trick you. I'm saying the same thing.
If you meet someone who, presumably like you, absolutely will not say anything until you do, then the both of you should write it down on a card and reveal them at the same time.
Or, you should say something about building a border wall. See if they bite.
Or, you should take them to see the Barbie movie. See if they shift in their chair too much.
Like, there are solutions to this problem, and I feel like you're just not willing to see them.
As a corollary, imagine you're gay in the 1960s. You can't tell anyone you're gay because you'll get beaten in an alley. But, you would still like to find other gay people. How would you do this?
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History shows that if the Dems regain full control, they will not reverse all this carnage 100%. They will reverse maybe 25% of it and pretend the rest isn't happening and maybe claim they don't have enough control and we'll hear the term bipartisan.
That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore. When they DO have some ability to improve things, they barely do. Biden proved to be exactly the slow-moving watered-down change I expected.
Fuck em all. And fuck you when you tell me how wrong I am. I really don't give a fuck.
Put up serious change on the ticket or I'll just roll my eyes again.
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reddit.nazi
lol hilariously bigoted of you... Genuinely, pathetic. You will never be capable of furthering your own cause with such a hateful attitude. Seriously, you should shut up about things you care about if this is your tact, because you will only hurt the cause.
While it is not academically accurate to say white is a race, it is colloquially accurate. So fuck off with your hateful pedantry if you know what's best for yourself and anti-racist causes.
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I am entirely lost.
Sahara is saying not to date republicans, and not to let them trick you. I'm saying the same thing.
If you meet someone who, presumably like you, absolutely will not say anything until you do, then the both of you should write it down on a card and reveal them at the same time.
Or, you should say something about building a border wall. See if they bite.
Or, you should take them to see the Barbie movie. See if they shift in their chair too much.
Like, there are solutions to this problem, and I feel like you're just not willing to see them.
As a corollary, imagine you're gay in the 1960s. You can't tell anyone you're gay because you'll get beaten in an alley. But, you would still like to find other gay people. How would you do this?
wrote last edited by [email protected]I am not dismissing the solutions. I am arguing against the original phrasing of the suggestion. If you rephrase it to mean something that wasn't originally said, then of course you won't understand the implications of the much more poorly stated version...
For your own safety you should really ask about their political ideology before meeting them. Make sure to not let them fool you either, never tell them yours first.
Ask them before meeting (so your suggestion of writing on cards is totally irrelevant), but don't tell them yours... If all good people followed that advice, then no good people will tell others their leanings first, and since no one is telling their leanings, no one would agree to meet.
It's right there, in two fucking sentences. How is this so difficult to understand?