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Let me tell you about our lord and saviour GrapheneOS
wrote last edited by [email protected]Not sure if you’re being sarcastic. If so, hilarious! But, it’s the expected response from an android Lemmy user to reference graphene os.
I actually bought a pixel and installed graphene on it just to give it a try. It’s not bad, and I can do probably 90% of the things I need on there. There are even some nice apps and features you can’t get on iOS (storage scopes is cool). But, at the end of the day, switching is hard. My biggest gripe is backups suck and fail 100% of the time, also no support for touchless payments. Also, android doesn’t manage battery life that well. Some days it’s fine, but other days it randomly drains to almost zero. At the end of the day, I don’t think the solution is to hack together an OS to work on a company’s hardware that doesn’t really support the mission. I wish the Graphene team would partner with Fairphone or something. Anyway, I’ll probably keep using the Pixel here and there, but I don’t know if I could daily drive it. I did try.
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Apple's discounting strategy is generally to sell last year's model, sometimes the model before that, with roughly $200 discounts for each year since its release. They sometimes release a lower spec model (the 16e is the current example, prior SE models or even the mini models from previous generations were part of this strategy as well) and that sometimes means the 2-year-old model isn't kept available as long.
That's where their 5-7 year support window really shines, in that they can just sell older models as discounted models, knowing that the new owner will still get 3-5 years of support.
The other thing is that the used market for iPhones is pretty robust. I can go buy used phones that are 3 or 4 years old and still get a good 1-4 years of additional support. At least in the U.S., if you told me my budget for a phone was gonna be $300 for the next 2 years, I think I'd probably buy a used iPhone.
As it currently stands, I'm still on Pixels on a 2 year cycle, but I also know that my "sell used to offset the price of my new phone" strategy also would be much cheaper if I did it with iPhones instead of Pixels.
That's where their 5-7 year support window
This is one of the worse scams that Apple perpetrate with iOS admins iPadOS - yes, the devices get updates for as many years as specified. However, basically all apps available for iOS and iPadOS only support the two latest versions of the OS, meaning that once your device is out of support, it functionally becomes a brick after one year, as no apps will support it anymore.
Android has a worse record of keeping the OS up to date on devices, but app developers on Android routinely support 10 or more versions back of the OS, making this problem less severe.
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My upgrade schedule is about 7–8 years. iPhones do “just work” for that long.
i am withing this from my 2018 Huawei : Hello !
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My upgrade schedule is about 7–8 years. iPhones do “just work” for that long.
I tried using and old iPhone. You can't install anything on it. If you go to the app store, it won't tell you which apps are compatible. It'll just download the app, and then show you error.
Android is better at this, apps generally support old versions for longer, and the play store is better at showing compatible apps.
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When android isn’t spyware, I’ll consider switching.
While this is a fair criticism of Android you don't exactly have access to check and see if Apple is doing the same thing like you do with Android. You're really just taking Apple at their word and they wont even let you cloud save to anything but their servers and can dig through your photos to find illegal content.
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Their 1TB version is $1600 because they get away with charging $400 for $40 worth of storage.
Is it really 40$ in that form factor?
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This logic is outdated. The top of the line iPhones are no more (and sometimes a bit less) than comparable Android flagships.
Their base models come in around high-midrange Android, true. But some of the specs (CPU/camera) still beat out Android phones at their price range. Heck on CPU they often beat more expensive Android phones.
I'm not saying that because I'm a fan of Apple it's just like, it's not just them. I've had something like 9 Android phones and 6 iPhones. Really in the end they aren't that different day-to-day.
I dont think the iPhone camera is better. In blind tests done by MKBHD, Google pixels consistently win.
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So tired of the audience participation in these endless phone wars. Oh you have a smart phone? Dope! They’re cool and useful. Anyway
If people were simply pointing out the pros and cons of the various devices, it would be very helpful and useful. I don’t care if you hate Apple, I just want information about the hardware and software and if it’s a good value proposition.
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Not sure if you’re being sarcastic. If so, hilarious! But, it’s the expected response from an android Lemmy user to reference graphene os.
I actually bought a pixel and installed graphene on it just to give it a try. It’s not bad, and I can do probably 90% of the things I need on there. There are even some nice apps and features you can’t get on iOS (storage scopes is cool). But, at the end of the day, switching is hard. My biggest gripe is backups suck and fail 100% of the time, also no support for touchless payments. Also, android doesn’t manage battery life that well. Some days it’s fine, but other days it randomly drains to almost zero. At the end of the day, I don’t think the solution is to hack together an OS to work on a company’s hardware that doesn’t really support the mission. I wish the Graphene team would partner with Fairphone or something. Anyway, I’ll probably keep using the Pixel here and there, but I don’t know if I could daily drive it. I did try.
For contactless payments, try Curve: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.imaginecurve.curve.prd
I am curious how Android Auto works with Graphene. I missed Android Auto when I was using LineageOS
Battery is also an issue even on Stock Android. The 5G chips on the recent Pixels drain it like a MF.
It really is annoying, I really want a cheap phone that doesn't spy on me. I'm either stuck between an expensive and closed EcoSystem, Android which I can't trust to fart near or Custom Roms which does lack features
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Not sure if you’re being sarcastic. If so, hilarious! But, it’s the expected response from an android Lemmy user to reference graphene os.
I actually bought a pixel and installed graphene on it just to give it a try. It’s not bad, and I can do probably 90% of the things I need on there. There are even some nice apps and features you can’t get on iOS (storage scopes is cool). But, at the end of the day, switching is hard. My biggest gripe is backups suck and fail 100% of the time, also no support for touchless payments. Also, android doesn’t manage battery life that well. Some days it’s fine, but other days it randomly drains to almost zero. At the end of the day, I don’t think the solution is to hack together an OS to work on a company’s hardware that doesn’t really support the mission. I wish the Graphene team would partner with Fairphone or something. Anyway, I’ll probably keep using the Pixel here and there, but I don’t know if I could daily drive it. I did try.
Since you mentioned Fairphone, another option as custom ROM would be e/OS which is not only supported but also comes pre-installed on fairphones (if you choose so). Sure, there are differences to Graphene, but I installed e/OS on my fp6 a few weeks ago and Im super happy with it - no more Google! And battery performance is pretty decent, too.
Tbf, never been an Apple guy, so I cant say how the switch would be for you, but coming from Xiaomi-Android it felt really refreshing
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I use iPhones for myself and the family because they just work. I don’t shell out for the latest models, this as-new iPhone 12 I’m on now works just fine. I use Linux for everything else but my requirements for a phone are totally different to what I need from a PC. I don’t need freedom or the ability to tinker or hack it. I need my phone to operate as a reliable appliance and a mobile wallet, so I appreciate features like Apple wallet and Face ID. Other people’s requirements might differ but I think it is just a case of horses for courses.
But don’t get me started on all the advanced features of the iPhone that are hidden so well behind the pretty ui most people will never ever realise they exist.. -
When android isn’t spyware, I’ll consider switching.
Apple absolutely does spy on their customers. They've just taken this clever approach where they say they don't, and for some bizarre reason everyone just accepts it.
They probably don't spy as much as Google does, but let's face it they're definitely collecting info.
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Let me tell you about our lord and saviour GrapheneOS
It only works on pixel devices though right.
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Fanboi: “Apple does everything Android does! They just lie about it!”
Apple is no saint, but they have a different business model with different pressures. There’s little incentive for them to commit the same sins Android does.
wrote last edited by [email protected]What do you think iCloud is for? Do you they are just be nice offering a cloud storage solution, or do you think maybe they get something out of it?
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I like Apple’s os, App Store and processors better than android’s. I like Android’s everything else better than apple’s.
Ultimately you are getting fucked anyway but you get to pick the guy who fucks you.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well everyone says, and has said for years, that the best phone would run iOS but with the hardware innovations of Android phones.
Hell we're on the 7th generation of foldables and Apple still hasn't got one. I get they're not for everyone, and that's fine, but they should have the option.
If Apple offered an iPad that I could fold up and put in my pocket I might actually consider switching over. I'm not particularly bothered by iOS on a phone but iPad OS on a foldable phone I'm pretty sure that would sound like hotcakes even if it was 3K.
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My upgrade schedule is about 7–8 years. iPhones do “just work” for that long.
It might simply be my my use patterns but in my experience they tend to require a battery replacement in that time. Apple charged so much for the replacements it's often not really worth it unless you get some guy in a strip mall to do it
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Well everyone says, and has said for years, that the best phone would run iOS but with the hardware innovations of Android phones.
Hell we're on the 7th generation of foldables and Apple still hasn't got one. I get they're not for everyone, and that's fine, but they should have the option.
If Apple offered an iPad that I could fold up and put in my pocket I might actually consider switching over. I'm not particularly bothered by iOS on a phone but iPad OS on a foldable phone I'm pretty sure that would sound like hotcakes even if it was 3K.
Rumor has it Apple wasn’t happy with the crease in folding phones and didn’t want to launch a foldable until they could solve the crease problem. Supposedly, they are gearing up to launch theirs next year and Samsung will be adopting apples solution for the crease problem then too.
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What do you think iCloud is for? Do you they are just be nice offering a cloud storage solution, or do you think maybe they get something out of it?
iCloud is just a set of services Apple offers for their customers. Complete with vendor lock in. There’s no indication they are selling that data though if that’s what you are asking.
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It does matter because for most people that phone became e-waste around 2020. Iphones released that year got major OS upgrades till 2022 and are still getting security updates.
I do wish Apple was forced to unlock the bootloader, but for 95% of users, their phones get significantly longer support than normal.
So one is potential ewaste (Oneplus with an uninformed user) the other is absolutely ewaste.
Again I really don't see your point?
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What’s there to innovate, really? That ship has sailed back in the ‘90’s.
Nokia, Motorola, Sony-Ericksson and a bunch of other companies put out a ton of really neat phones. Tech moved so fast, every six months you’d see new leaps: introducing a color screen, Bluetooth, new ringtone formats, WAP, installable apps, etc.
These days we’ve pretty much settled on boring rectangular slabs. Innovation means yet another camera, a .01 mm thinner phone, a faster screen… none of it really exciting.
We all need phones. And yes, iPhones just work. There’s nothing wrong with buying a thing that just works. I don’t need my toaster to ‘innovate’ either - just to make toast predictably, you know?
