Man you'd think. Some ppl just use politics to hide shitty behavior. Polis don't mean shit. See how friendly and helpful they are to strangers. Ppl thank can't offer anything.

I think a lot of us in the US have had this experience some time in the last 10 years. A work colleague or relative you don't know that well. People tend to avoid talking about politics directly, and often the euphemism (as seen here)bis ambiguous enough that it's a coin toss for what it actually means.

Unless some politician had a recent shitstorm and no other politician was in hot water currently, I would probably ask who it was they wouldn’t vote for because I would have no clue. The same would apply if instead of a single person, it was about a single party, unless an especially bad one had popped up that election, I simply wouldn’t know which party they were talking about. I don’t even think I’d be suspicious, I’d be too busy being confused or curious.

For context, we currently have more than a dozen parties represented in government and half a dozen that didn’t get enough votes this time around, but are big enough to be recognizable and sometimes getting representatives in government.

Maybe if everyone..........

But they won't. You know that, I know that, random raccoons in dumpsters know that.

It's not really unprovable when we know that on average less than 50% of eligible voters actually vote.

It will never cease to amaze me when these people blame the voters, instead of blaming the people with the power, the platform, and the money for where we are today.

Implies my vote would have changed the outcome. But it wouldn't have, and didn't in some past cases. So no, you're fucking dead wrong.

Is that what you've observed? What we've seen is that not holding political parties accountable for their past actions leads to them ignoring everyone except their donors.

I'm committed to not stopping the fire.

There's a difference between being "committed to not stop the fire" and recognizing my tools at my disposal don't work for me.

A better version of your example is more like my single fire extinguisher might help me with some of my fire, but it turns out my neighbors lit the whole fucking neighborhood on fire, so rather than fighting my little fire and exhausting myself pointlessly, I chose to walk out and acknowledge I can't make a difference here.

If anything I should move out of the neighborhood but that's a luxury I don't have.

Yeah, not communicating enough with your spouse to know their political beliefs would be a major red flag. That in itself should be the final nail in the coffin.

It's possible that his views were conflicted.

I have family whose politics I understand pretty well, and I don't know who they voted for. What I do know is that they were torn between: "Trump's blatant antisemitism is a danger to us here in America" and "Trump is good for Israel".

The majority of Americans in general regardless of age didn't vote at all. I think I understand what you were trying to say either that or you were just being ageist

I was with you in the first half, until you said you don't vote. You're as much to blame for this shit as anyone

If only we could all people why they didn't vote. Oh wait, we have! There's hundreds of polls asking people their reasons.

That's why I don't even fucking vote anymore

That's literally the first thing you said. Everything else you've said is just doomer shit or that you should leave but also you aren't? So you are advocating for what exactly????

I'm not that person, check the usernames.

My only point is I think there's actually better stuff to focus on than whether people voted or not. I think it's probably on the whole better to vote for the democrats than not vote. But I think there are good faith arguments against it and what really matters is more active ways of fighting fascism.

Oops that's my bad, I'm sorry.

So, I agree with you that we need to do more, especially now, but that also includes voting too. Voting is bare minimum, if people can't vote, I can't see them doing much else.

If they can do other more impactful things without voting then I'm all for it, but voting itself does not take away from doing more.

Like for example, New Yorkers voting for Mamdani in this upcoming election is great, especially because it shows the nation that as a whole we can swing the total opposite direction.

You don't have a solution if your solution starts with "if everyone would just". That's a hope or a fantasy. People won't just.

there are entire departments at companies trying to turn people into insane conservatives

Narrator: Neither of them voted.