You not to are immune propaganda

Jokes aside I'd wear that outside lol

Clearly. If you actually listened to what the people you've arbitrarily declared to be The Enemy say, you wouldn't be able to make up lazy strawmen about what they believe.

There were no anarchists left in the USSR.

But it is one of the most Herculean tasks you will ever undertake.

So follow his lead. Divert a river and float the shit away or make them run in snow until they are tired.

ah yes, because marxist-leninism has no history of its adherents glorifying imperialism or state-capitalism.

Comparing a famine caused by poor harvests across eastern europe and exacerbated by poor management to the fucking holocaust is wild.

Not just wild, also a form of Holocaust denial.

Yeah and that only happened after years of the Nazi party being in power in Germany. And they even got Sudetenland as appeasement by France and Britain without the consent of Czechoslovakia. France and Britain only gave a fuck after Poland was invaded while the rest of Europe tried to stay neutral. And later Italy joined the Nazi. Europe wasn’t very united against the Nazi. Unity of the allies only happened after hundreds of thousands civilians were already executed. Before the invasion of Poland the Nazi executed political opponents and rounded up the Jews in Germany and the world didn’t do shit about it.

"poor management" is one hell of a way to put it.

The opposite is the case. What worked historically is organizing in an ideologically united platform.

Vanguard parties won revolutions. Ideologically diverse big tent organizations have always eventually broken apart and none has brought a revolution thus far.

And working with liberals has never been a good idea. They're not a part of the left, they belong to a right wing ideology. That would be like saying we should work together with Nazis, because after all they have socialist in their name.

This is literal ruling class propaganda. No Marxist or Marxist-Leninist is against LGBT, thinks Nazis or nationalism has a point, claims Putin is leftist, etc.

Stop trying to stir division, astroturf.

The Soviet Union was established before the Nazis existed. There was no need to ally with anarchists against them when they didn't exist yet and waged war.

A better example would be the Spanish civil war where communists, liberals and anarchists did fight on the same side until infighting broke out due to an ineffective and non-authorative government. Meaning they failed to establish a leading ideology which could have prevented this.

whelp, straight to infighting.

Still looking for a single leftist here who claims they support communism. I constantly see it being attributed to the left, but in real life scenarios I just don't see it, only in memes, unless you meant socialism, which is a healthy system of every country, including US.

EDIT: I guess I should stop waiting, this feels like strawman argument/gatekeeping

They would also tell me to my (virtual) face that they think my country has no right to exist, so that too makes it pretty hard to have any sort of productive collaboration.

Because the French Revolution didnt permanently damage democracy as a political system. And democratic system in one form or another existed for millennia before the French Revolution.

The USSR and China under the CCP permanently discredited (without any chance of rehabilitation) communism as legitimate ideology.

No one in their right mind would want anything to do with communism. It's like asking for genocide, mass killings, gulags, lack of free expression and poverty. No one is going to do that.

And I not saying this in the polemical sense used by pro-crime/pro-corruption Americans ("this is such a socialist shirhole").

And the Soviets allied with Nazi Germany and carved up Poland with their new buddies.

Because the French Revolution didnt permanently damage democracy as a political system.

Ok. Neither did the communist revolutions of the 20th century permanently damage communism as a political system.

And democratic system in one form or another existed for millennia before the French Revolution.

As have anarchist and communistic systems.

The USSR and China under the CCP permanently discredited (without any chance of rehabilitation) communism as legitimate ideology.

No. They didn't. Only too western liberals who were always hostile to communism would say that. The idea that communism is permanently dead just because capitalists didn't like it is pure "end of history" Neo-liberalist nonsense, and basically ignores the fact that a large chunk of the worlds population still actively feels positively about these revolutionary projects; to say nothing of the people who don't like those particular ones, but still agree with communism in general.

Besides, so called "liberal democracies" have done far more evil than the USSR or Communist China. In fact, they're doing a repeat of the Holocaust as we speak. Does that "permanently (without any chance of rehabilitation) discredit democracy as a legitimate ideology"?

No one in their right mind would want anything to do with communism. It’s like asking for genocide, mass killings, gulags, lack of free expression and poverty. No one is going to do that.

Sure, if you're a complete dullard who has mainlined nothing but pure, concentrated cold war propaganda without any thought or consideration, without ever bothering to open a single book on political theory. Everyone else is not that stupid.

And guess what? You have genocide, mass killings, gulags, lack of free expression, and poverty now, no communism needed. In fact, communism has almost always been associated with a reduction in those things if you actually check the stats.

And I not saying this in the polemical sense used by pro-crime/pro-corruption Americans

Yes, you are. That is exactly how you are saying it.

The communists were never "buddies" with the Nazis. The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French. The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.

When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, the Soviets reluctantly agreed to sign a non-agression pact, in order to delay the coming war that everyone knew was happening soon. Throughout the last decade, Britain, France, and other western countries had formed pacts with Nazi Germany, such as the Four-Power Pact, the German-French-Non-Agression Pact, and more. Molotov-Ribbentrop was unique among the non-agression pacts with Nazi Germany in that it was right on the eve of war, and was the first between the USSR and Nazi Germany. It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.

Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:

If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.

Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis.

This strategy is dishonest though. We cannot use all the same methods of the far right and ruling class.

There's a conflict of interest between wanting people to think critically and then lying to them and only slowly letting them learn parts of a truth.
In another example, you can't have a democracy when all parties try to deceive the voters. That will damage the concept of democracy and the existing supposed democracy.

There is also the danger of falling your own rhetoric and propaganda. Prime example of this is how fascism was created. Mussolini actively engaged in nationalist pro-war propaganda as he thought the continued war would lead to the conditions necessary for socialist revolution. He wasn't wrong about that as then revolutions broke out in several successors / breakaways of the Russian Empire, in Germany and in Hungary. But eventually he fell to his own propaganda and created fascism.